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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Eek, I think forgot to post these!*

We did discuss Axa on the show a few days ago (towards the start, IIRC).

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*If this is a duplicate, then my apologies - it's been a busy week and it's only Tuesday.
 
I think it's a shame that if Axanar had kept its eye on the prize and simply delivered what it promised when it promised we would have no lawsuit and the fandom wouldn't be riven as it is, especially in Trek's 50th anniversary year.

I agree that Axanar would simply be another (albeit much splashier) fan film had AP and Co. kept focused on making the film instead of making a business, but I think you are seriously overestimating the divisions amongst Star Trek fans. 99.999% of them will be in the theater watching ST:Beyond, and 99.99% of them will be watching the new series, at least the pilot anyway, and 99% of them will at least think about ponying up for CBS All Access to watch the new series.
 
We have Movies and a TV show. Sounds more like the 90's to me.

Since Enterprise went off the air, there have been two movies, with another on the way and a TV show in the works, Not to mention the tons and tons of merchandising that has been produced in the past eleven years. I get as bored of the argument there hasn't been anything as I do that JJ Trek isn't Star Trek.
I watched ST:XI and it was a fun popcorn movie that doesn't hold up well if you think about it critically. Haven't seen Darkness yet, probably will soon. So yes, there has been official star trek, but something the purists (i'm not) don't much care for. We've also seen many fan productions of varying quality; it's not like Axanar would be the first fan film of it's kind.
 
Honestly, there aren't enough purists to make the franchise profitable anymore. May I remind everyone that Star Trek is, first, a business. I'm sorry. I like Star Trek too and even though I get a little annoyed with the overmoralizing that it can do on occasion, I do miss the thoughtfulness of it all. But CBS and Paramount aren't in this game to make thoughtful, insightful Star Trek. They're in it to make money. For themselves. And their shareholders. Anything else is secondary.

Between Insurrection, Nemesis, Voyager and Enterprise, the audience just wasn't all that interested anymore. Purists were even pulling away. Call it oversaturation. Call it a decline in quality. But even Star Trek fans stopped watching. When your last film loses 40% of the audience from the previous movie, that is not a good sign. When you have a downward trend, like you had since TNG went off the air, eventually it's going to become unprofitable. That's what happened with Star Trek. If fans wanted it to keep going, they could have kept watching.

Love them or hate them, the JJ films brought people to the movie theater. Will Beyond continue that trend? I don't know. I'd like to think that it will. But the audience has to show that there is a desire out there for new Star Trek. And at the end of the day, they're not going to care about what fan films do. Because despite what Alec Peters says, he does not represent all of us. Some, I'd argue most, of us don't want Axanar. We don't want a Mary Stu who is invincible and can do no wrong. We want a hero with character flaws. We want serious moral stories. And yeah, maybe a phaser fight or two. But unfortunately, I think its necessary to see the JJ films in order to get the other stuff. Because Paramount and CBS are watching us. And if we're not watching them, well then, there may not be any Star Trek. CBS is well within its rights to take its ball and go home.

And I also argue that about half of the Prime movies don't hold up if you look at them critically too. Just sayin'.
 
... I think you are seriously overestimating the divisions amongst Star Trek fans. 99.999% of them will be in the theater watching ST:Beyond...

I also think the ideas floating around of a rift in fandom, even when the press says its among hardcore fandom which by definition is alienating to most, is in the end a bunch of hype. The small numbers of people involved ultimately make it a sideshow.

Honestly, there aren't enough purists to make the franchise profitable anymore. May I remind everyone that Star Trek is, first, a business. I'm sorry. I like Star Trek too and even though I get a little annoyed with the overmoralizing that it can do on occasion, I do miss the thoughtfulness of it all.

"I miss the thoughtfulness" is the main argument I see from Axanar supporters that I can relate to. Too bad its a rabbit hole with Axanar.

My own suspicion is that Star Trek is a bit of an evergreen fable reinventing itself and gaining new energy in cycles over time. There are always flows of energy in society seeking expression. I'm curious to see how much of this happens with the TV show. Hopefully they can understand that they need to reflect deeper issues, not news events and lazy tropes. E.g., no on the surface for spectacle terrorist invasions or Nazi invasions.
 
Sorry to be so far behind, but I just watched the trailer.
At first it was kind of meh, but once the ridiculous shouting started, it went to just plain bad. It was even more over the top than the monologue in the teaser.
As for Axanar being "thoughtful", nothing I have seen has made me think it will be any more thoughtful than Abrams movies. New Voyages and Continues have actually gotten pretty "thoughtful" at times though.
 
I watched ST:XI and it was a fun popcorn movie that doesn't hold up well if you think about it critically. Haven't seen Darkness yet, probably will soon. So yes, there has been official star trek, but something the purists (i'm not) don't much care for. We've also seen many fan productions of varying quality; it's not like Axanar would be the first fan film of it's kind.
I'm a "purist", and I love ALL forms of Trek, including the JJ movies. They are just as "pure" as any other version of Trek.
 
"I miss the thoughtfulness" is the main argument I see from Axanar supporters that I can relate to. Too bad its a rabbit hole with Axanar.

Thoughtfulness can also come with a sense of fun. Personally, I believe that even though STID had a lot of moments of cliche and the message might have been a little heavy-handed, it tried to have that thoughtfulness. But at the end of the day, it was a hell of a lot of fun. Beyond, again, looks like its trying to have a message and have fun at the same time. I don't see a problem with that. Axanar, at least from where I'm sitting at this moment, is just a lot of heavy-handedness. That's a problem for me.
 
Apparently no one else wants a gift from Squiggy's massive Godwin reaction folder as much as I do.



Earth! Hitler! 1938!

GO, SQUIGGY!
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May I remind everyone that Star Trek is, first, a business
Depends on who you're taliking about. To the owners and production side that is true, but to the audience it's instead primarily entertainment, and to a small nmber of fans it's somekind of touchstone prophecy to a utopian future.
 
Depends on who you're taliking about. To the owners and production side that is true, but to the audience it's instead primarily entertainment, and to a small nmber of fans it's somekind of touchstone prophecy to a utopian future.

I think you stopped reading where you cut my quote. I think I was fairly clear that I was speaking of the perspective of the studio.
 
As for 'what I learned', it wasn't really NDA level of anything, just a clearer understand of what Alec and his side is thinking and feeling (that latter may be being far more important) in this case and why things continue to be so abrasive. Not agreeing with their position (and I've really only seriously looked at the legal perspectives), but it was a pretty humanizing moment. for me.

So what about their position humanized them for you? This is the answer that's needed if you want to take a stab at cooling some of the hotter heads. Without that, your opinion is just your opinion, and doesn't give anyone else the opportunity to reach the same conclusions you have.

I currently believe that Peters is a con man; if you can give me good reason to suspect otherwise, I'd be interested in hearing it.

(and no, I'm not trying to be provocative here; I really do want to know).

Basically, it's what you call 'two-faced': As in he'll treat you one way to your face; but treat you way differently in private, or when speaking to others or posting online.
^^^
That seems to be a core aspect of Alec Peters personality and from what evidence exists online, he's been that way a LONG time.

In this respect I see the Internet kind of the same way I see alcohol. Sometimes, it allows the truest glimpse of someone's inner self. On the other hand, it sometimes also distorts that vision -- though far more often in the case of alcohol than it does on the Internet.

Of course, when both get involved, watch out... :devil:
 
I get so tired of seeing the phrase "Paramount/CBS feel threatened by Axanar." Burnett says it here, but the paragraph before that he also says why that very idea is BS.

No RMB, the lawsuit isn't because the IP holders feel threatened by your boring trailers and non-existent independent trek film. The lawsuit exists because your EP is a greedy douchebag that tried to build his own empire on other people's property without a license to do so!
From this article and others, it seems like the mainstream media likes the clickbait idea of C/P going after little fan films, very few mention all of the secondary merchandising and other commercial activities Axanar has done that were likely the real basis of the lawsuit.
 
From this article and others, it seems like the mainstream media likes the clickbait idea of C/P going after little fan films, very few mention all of the secondary merchandising and other commercial activities Axanar has done that were likely the real basis of the lawsuit.
Well yeah, I get that. "Evil Corporation stomps on little guy" will always be the more compelling headline, and in a case like this few people who write the stories will go out of their way to find out what the little guy actually did to deserve the stomping. Fortunately for us, we've got people like carlosp and jespah to explain to us in basic English what kind of grand theft LOOORDFIM is engaged in.

Unfortunately, now that I know my blood pressure's gotta go up every time some nimrod makes the story about "C/P attacking fans", and what makes me pop a vein is when AP, RMB or anybody else involved in this nightmare scenario of a production uses it to try to make themselves look innocent, the way RMB did in the article.
 
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