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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Vance said:
Notice that I did not say that I agree with him, or that I have made any attempt to justify his actions. I simply reported on my personal experience with him which made me question the more .. personal takes I've seen. That's it.
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Hence my statement re perception. It's different with all and that's fair. You've had a more pleasant experience than most of us. I'm not trying to take that away from you.

Whatever you personally think of him, I feel more than a little pressure that I MUST join in the darker corners of hating him, and I wish you guys would stop trying to recruit me for that.
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Wow, so first off: no. At least not personally. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.

Ask any veteran of this board and they'll tell you that I've been in many flame wars and I've had my share of infamy. And the thing that I've noticed most, the thing that strikes me the most, is that both hating and being hated are miserable things. It destroys who you are and what you accomplish... you'll forgive me if I don't want to dive headlong back into that.
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Again, not trying to get into a flame war. Don't know how or why you got that impression. My statement was fairly innocuous at least in my brain.

Plus I've been on this board a few more years than you. We may have even gotten into a few. (Took a break from the boards for awhile.)
 
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CBS & Paramount have decided that AP (Alec Peters = Axanar Productions) has set out to financially benefit from property that he doesn't own, and a lawsuit is in progress to determine if they are in the right.

In the meantime, AP's public behavior has been well documented both here and on social media. That's what is open to scrutiny. If he doesn't want to be subject to the proverbial anal probe, he should keep his big mouth shut and concentrate on giving his donors what they paid for.

I contend that when the big money started rolling in, his beady little eyes were filled with dollar signs, and the innocent-but-ambitious fan film idea was pushed aside and the focus shifted to creating a for-profit business that would feed his ever hungry ego. And this sentence is here to avoid having a run-on one-sentence paragraph. ;)

I have no problem with people ripping AP to shreds here, as he has done to many of his donors. The fact that he isn't here to defend himself is his own fault, as he has been booted from this BBS multiple times.

Judging by his past actions in this and other business ventures, LFIM is nothing but a two-bit grifter, looking to make a buck off of anyone who will open his wallet.

So, no. I don't have any sympathy for Alec Peters, no matter how personable he is face-to-face.
 
I was just trying to be illustrative, not blaming. Sorry, Campe, if it seemed that I was pointing fingers. I was just really saying more that catharsis is one thing, and I'll join in for a bit.. but when its becoming obsessive, it just brings everyone down.
 
Vance said:
Notice that I did not say that I agree with him, or that I have made any attempt to justify his actions. I simply reported on my personal experience with him which made me question the more .. personal takes I've seen. That's it. Whatever you personally think of him, I feel more than a little pressure that I MUST join in the darker corners of hating him, and I wish you guys would stop trying to recruit me for that.

Ask any veteran of this board and they'll tell you that I've been in many flame wars and I've had my share of infamy. And the thing that I've noticed most, the thing that strikes me the most, is that both hating and being hated are miserable things. It destroys who you are and what you accomplish... you'll forgive me if I don't want to dive headlong back into that.
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The majority of the content I have seen in this thread has addressed concrete ridiculous and/or offensive actions taken by Alec, and has spoken to that behavior, or at worst, poked fun at it. Yes, some people have also had specific negative experiences which they share, just like you have shared a positive one.

I like your observation about the mindset of the fans and the way Alec seems to be caught up in it / leading it. I watch for that here along with everything else. Please don't feel pressured on my part at least to say anything other than what you think. I just share back where I am, as I think most here do, and we see where it goes. Which might very well be into the ears of both sides, occasionally perhaps as observations that affect the analysis of the issues, occasionally as a goof. I hope for no personal excess - on which your observations are fine by me. At least that's my take. Things might get a bit hot from time to time tho as the latest incomprehensible countersuit or the like appears tho :-)
 
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Robert Burnett tells the LA Times he isn't optimistic the copyright lawsuit will turn out well for Axanar.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...xanar-lawsuit-update-20160617-snap-story.html

Robert Meyer Burnett: "It has been going through the court system exactly the same way it had been before [Abrams] made that announcement…. I think, unfortunately, the outcome ultimately is not going to be favorable to us and certainly not for our fans and our donors.”
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I get so tired of seeing the phrase "Paramount/CBS feel threatened by Axanar." Burnett says it here, but the paragraph before that he also says why that very idea is BS.

No RMB, the lawsuit isn't because the IP holders feel threatened by your boring trailers and non-existent independent trek film. The lawsuit exists because your EP is a greedy douchebag that tried to build his own empire on other people's property without a license to do so!
 
Nice to see my Enterprise model made the LA Times.

carlosp said:
Robert Burnett tells the LA Times he isn't optimistic the copyright lawsuit will turn out well for Axanar.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...xanar-lawsuit-update-20160617-snap-story.html

Robert Meyer Burnett: "It has been going through the court system exactly the same way it had been before [Abrams] made that announcement…. I think, unfortunately, the outcome ultimately is not going to be favorable to us and certainly not for our fans and our donors.”
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Vance said:
Notice that I did not say that I agree with him, or that I have made any attempt to justify his actions. I simply reported on my personal experience with him which made me question the more .. personal takes I've seen. That's it. Whatever you personally think of him, I feel more than a little pressure that I MUST join in the darker corners of hating him, and I wish you guys would stop trying to recruit me for that.
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Sorry, you are imagining that pressure. Your comments about AP's public personna are well taken. I have no doubt that you are reporting accurately your interaction. I don't think anyone here begrudges that. In fact, it actually confirms what many of us suspect: that AP acts one way on line and another way in person. That does not add up to a very flattering picture for someone who is involved in a lawsuit over what some would consider very sleazy behavior in his business dealings. (A pattern that keeps surfacing). I have seen the online abusive behavior, but I suspected that in person he can be pleasant and even charmng. This is not unusual for criminals, con-men or spouse abusers. It also confirms what I have suspected that when it comes to his blustering threats, he is all hot air.
That does NOT mean I hate him, nor do I wish to change your opinion of him in any way, shape or form. Others may respond to your reported encounter by citing their own, less pleasant experiences, but that does not mean they are trying to change your mind either. It simply shows that like most of us AP has different aspects to his personality, some good, some bad and how you feel about him depends on which any one person has seen the most of.
 
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CaptGrumpy said:
Don't say it....................!
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I'm not afraid... screw the fallout...

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Vance said:
More Trek.

I'm not going to get into the merits of it or anything, or discuss specific flavors... just that there's an audience hungry for this material and it's not currently being served. We're back in the 1970s-1980s dry spell, and everyone's looking to quench their thirst on SOMETHING.
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There's no doubt to me that there's an audience hungry for the kind of Star Trek that fan films have and might yet provide. That has never been at question. I've conducted and participated in fan film panels at large cons for more than a decade and they were always well attended.

There's even an untapped market for higher-quality fan productions like that Axanar offered. The trouble is, that its own goals and agenda went far beyond merely offering a high-quality fan film; fan donations were leveraged to fund commercial enterprises. That's the line they crossed.

I think it's a shame that if Axanar had kept its eye on the prize and simply delivered what it promised when it promised we would have no lawsuit and the fandom wouldn't be riven as it is, especially in Trek's 50th anniversary year.
 
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muCephi said:
Technically, since all understood constituents of the universe (matter and energy) can be seen as waves, waves cannot be "shattered against the firmament", it *is* the firmament.

So while this Axanar metaphor could speak of waves of matter (Klingon ships) being shattered against some universal fabric of the truth of existence (the Federation's right thinking), the metaphor is at certain levels pretty silly. :beer: (not that Heisenberg compensators are so much better)
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I was actually joking, though I did hear recently about gravity waves (which I thought was already established fact, so scientist I am not).
 
mswood said:
I was actually joking, though I did hear recently about gravity waves (which I thought was already established fact, so scientist I am not).
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Theory was around for a long time, they finally established it by observation last September 2015, announced earlier this year! Its more SF for those of us who can remember when no extra-solar planets were known :-)
 
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