Patricia? Was she the daughter? The munchkin as she was called in the first movie?
Independence Day - Resurgence
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Patricia? Was she the daughter? The munchkin as she was called in the first movie?
Yeah, the former President's daughter. She's in the last video in JD's post here:
Independence Day - Resurgence
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There were working 36 (three dozen isn't accurate) city destroyers. Assume an average population of 10 million (some are higher some are lower), and ignore anyone escaping in round 1, and that's still only in the 300 million range. By the time Houston was hit, "most of the major cities were deserted", so at most there'd be 500m killed directly. The rest has to be a humanitarian consequence.
That would be half the population of the planet, that's insanely high. I think someone didn't really think that number through at all.
Did everyone in India and China die?
I was thinking a billion most but maybe they took out a lot of China, that would increase the numbers. But I doubt that because then it wouldn't be approved for viewing in China and the sequel wouldn't have ever been made.
Did everyone in India and China die?
I was thinking a billion most but maybe they took out a lot of China, that would increase the numbers. But I doubt that because then it wouldn't be approved for viewing in China and the sequel wouldn't have ever been made.
Well, it is just the actress playing the former President's daughter talking in an out-of-universe behind-the-scenes clip, so there's no guarantee that that number is going to be mentioned in the film itself. It was just a fairly specific number equating to roughly half the world's population at the time, as you say, so its sounds as if it could possibly be a number they gave the cast to talk about to provide some background on the aftermath of the first attack when they're on their press tour.
But I agree, even taking into account the worst of the worst of the worst case scenario and multiplying it by ten, that number just doesn't seem to jibe with the incredibly inefficient way the aliens were killing us off in the movie. Unless they did the smart thing off-camera and released some kind of global pandemic or used a mass driver to slam an asteroid into the planet too, but there's no indication of any of that in the supporting materials on the film's website, and they actually wanted the planetary environment itself mostly intact to exploit.
I found the few sites that actually tried to calculate the casualties from ID4 to conversely be lowballing it by quite a bit, so there's no really satisfactory answer on the subject. You could spend a lot of time adding up death tolls from things like:
- killing the entire the population of the 108 largest cities (36 city destroyers x 3 attack waves) in the world in 1996 (even though they didn't just attack the largest cities, they also attacked capitals, there were scattered survivors in subways, tunnels, etc., and most of the major cities were evacuated by the second wave)
- killing the entire standing military strength of all the countries in the world from their attacks on military facilities (again, there were survivors for the retaliations)
- assuming that Houston was not the only time a nuke was used, so toss in the casualties from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Chernobyl, the estimated deaths from the winters during the Little Ice Age and the Krakatoa Eruption (to simulate the toxic clouds, fallout, and nuclear winter from all the burning cities, crashed ships, and surviving debris from the orbiting mothership)
- add up the estimated worst case scenario death tolls from all the wars in recorded history (674 million people). Actually we'll round that up to an even billion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/books/chapters/0713-1st-hedges.html
- add up every human caused disaster, famine, genocide, etc. and add them to the list again even though most of them were already included in the war totals above
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_disasters_by_death_toll
- Assume there were massive disease outbreaks that followed the attacks and throw in the deaths from every major pandemic in recorded history, including the Black Death and the 1918 Global Flu Pandemic. Also assume that no one did anything to try and stop the spread of the diseases, because reasons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
If you added up all of that, which is completely unreasonably biased in favor of the aliens being the greatest killing machines that ever existed (and not inept, inefficient idiots who take the slowest method to kill off humans possible and that got taken down by not updating their firewall) and throws out everything we saw happen onscreen. If you assume the worst case scenarios for everything, and sometimes favorably gave them double or triple overlapping death tolls even when you shouldn't. Even if you fill in the blanks with a bunch of random statistics just to drive up the score for the Washington Generals of space invasion. Even after all that, you don't even come close to a death toll of three billion. Three billion deaths is just an insanely large number given what we saw in the film.
But that's when I decided I'd be a gigantic dork if I actually tried to add all that shit up to rebut a random reference in a behind-the-scenes video. I probably already crossed that line anyway.
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Great. Now I know the aliens attack and the humans fight back and then the attack ends. That's the three act structure.
So what do you want to see in a trailer, then?
He was being sarcastic.
They'd be destroying their prize in that case, not so smart. If they want anything more than mineralogical resources from earth that is.
Yes, that's why I said that exact thing in the same sentence. 
Unless they did the smart thing off-camera and released some kind of global pandemic or used a mass driver to slam an asteroid into the planet too, but there's no indication of any of that in the supporting materials on the film's website, and they actually wanted the planetary environment itself mostly intact to exploit.
Unless they did the smart thing off-camera and released some kind of global pandemic or used a mass driver to slam an asteroid into the planet too, but there's no indication of any of that in the supporting materials on the film's website, and they actually wanted the planetary environment itself mostly intact to exploit.
Yes, the 3 billion figure cropped up quite early:
The ground was certainly seemed to take a few people - there were refugees moving south from northern England for example - although the only cities destroyed seemed to be London, Birmingham and Liverpool.
Plus it looked like he didn't have the beard in that shot, so yeah probably survives.
Mike and Jay of Red Letter Media uploaded a pretty sniffy H̶a̶l̶f̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶B̶a̶g re:View on Independence Day yesterday, which includes a brief side discussion of "The Best of Both Worlds" (around the 32-minute mark):
Though I remember liking the movie a bit more than they did (the F This Movie! podcast discussion is much kinder), it's hard to argue with a lot of what they say, and I have pretty much no desire to revisit it. As a matter of discussion, I wish they'd gone on to comapre ID4 to some of alien invasion movies we've had since, from War of the Worlds to Battle: LA and even The Avengers. The latter of which is of course my favorite, but of those non-superhero three, I vote for Battle: LA.
Though I remember liking the movie a bit more than they did (the F This Movie! podcast discussion is much kinder), it's hard to argue with a lot of what they say, and I have pretty much no desire to revisit it. As a matter of discussion, I wish they'd gone on to comapre ID4 to some of alien invasion movies we've had since, from War of the Worlds to Battle: LA and even The Avengers. The latter of which is of course my favorite, but of those non-superhero three, I vote for Battle: LA.
Roland Emmerich has said that he doesn't like superhero movies because it's "silly when someone dons and superhero suit and flies". He says his movies always have a "regular Joe Schmo who becomes the unlikely hero.
I really don't think that movies like the IDs, and 2012 are less silly than The Avengers.
I really don't think that movies like the IDs, and 2012 are less silly than The Avengers.
I've always been quite content that ID was a great standalone film. I have no excitement for this film and do not plan to see it in the theaters. Even if Will Smith was in it, it's just not a film that needs a sequel. Some Hollywood suit decided it did but that doesn't mean I agree. Hopefully no one comes along and tells us that Pulp Fiction needs a follow up or Shawshank Redemption either.
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