CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Where did the name change actually get announced? I can't see anything on Axanars' Captain's Log, or on their Facebook page? Only place I have seen it called that is on the Trekyards video posted above.
Licensing? AP don't need no stinking licensing!
All he needs is a few bucks worth of yard sale DVDs!
Licensing? AP don't need no stinking licensing!
All he needs is a few bucks worth of yard sale DVDs!
LOL!
Well, that's a good way for him to get his ass sued -- OH, WAIT!
That Alec had as a main strategy streaming old content on demand is not what I got from his prospectus, but I could have been projecting my own impressions of common sense into it.
I thought they were arguing that fans would want content the studios were unwilling to make or allow into their continuities, and that industrial strength monetizers like CBS on Demand or Netflix would not have customer mindspace to add to the rotation.
This lockout would be the fate of many new productions, so there might be a market to pick up this tier, since the current video distribution systems aren't really great for monetizing or controlling rights (
oops ). It could also be a place to host content that fans want carried on past the end of a series.Of course in some cases there could still be clearances to negotiate, but if the basic market proposition is strong, it wouldn't have to be limited to SF. Word of mouth could sell content and keep it alive.
For the most part I would not imagine this mechanism would be using existing content, except as filler.
That Alec had as a main strategy streaming old content on demand is not what I got from his prospectus, but I could have been projecting my own impressions of common sense into it.
I thought they were arguing that fans would want content the studios were unwilling to make or allow into their continuities, and that industrial strength monetizers like CBS on Demand or Netflix would not have customer mindspace to add to the rotation.
This lockout would be the fate of many new productions, so there might be a market to pick up this tier, since the current video distribution systems aren't really great for monetizing or controlling rights (
Of course in some cases there could still be clearances to negotiate, but if the basic market proposition is strong, it wouldn't have to be limited to SF. Word of mouth could sell content and keep it alive.
For the most part I would not imagine this mechanism would be using existing content, except as filler.
It was really a little of both, I think:
I was remembering the quote from Alec at the end. But your point was also still there.
Regardless, independent productions still require money. And if you want professional-grade productions, its going to cost even more money. Additionally, you can't do a monthly streaming service with Axanar, a few other new low-budget independent films, some movies in the public domain and charge $10 for it. People will laugh at you. You need some big stuff behind it. And Alec probably couldn't pull that before. He sure can't do it now.
Basically what the CBS/Paramount lawyers said with regard to any public statements made by JJ Abrams/Justin Lin was:
"Yes, we acknowledge those people made those statements. Those people speak for themselves."
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And that's all the C/P lawyers said about that (as well as their own public statements that were made via Twitter bout being in settlement talks further down in the counterclaim response.) They're not saying or implying anything else.
My take (all subjective):
Originally CBS/Paramount DIDN'T want to settle - period. Justin Lin/JJ Abrams prevailed on the suits at Paramount to settle; and they said, "Okay." JJ Abrams then dropped that bombshell statement at the ST:B fan event (which took EVERYONE - including Alec Peters - by surprise.) C/P lawyers then offered their settlement tears; but Alec Peters (with his ego further swelled/bolstered by JJ comments (to the point he misconstrued what was said to mean: "The lawsuit will be DROPPED!") turned down every offer and made a series of outlandish counter offers <--- probably against the advice of his own attorneys; to the point Erin Ranahan included a counterclaim thinking it might help get a settlement offer from C/P that Alec Peters would accept.
As for JJ Abrams/Justin Lin - they probably didn't know or really care about the particulars of the case and figured ANY reasonable person in this situation would JUMP at a reasonable settlement offer - hence the "...going away in a couple of weeks..." comment by JJ Abrams. Obviously JJ Abrams has never encountered Alec Peters or Alec Peters ego. Also, given neither JJ Abrams nor Justin Lin have not commented further after the passage of more than a couple of weeks may mean they actually have learned more about the actual situation; feel they've done what they can - and will let the situation play itself out - OR - (and this possibility makes me sad); there IS a valid settlement in the works and C/P are trying to coordinate some announcement with everyone involved (including Lin and Abrams) to make a Big Media Splash™ closer to the release of Star Trek: Beyond in conjunction with the release of more info on the Star Trek 2017 All Access TV series.
I honestly hope IT's NOT the latter - and we see this case fully adjudicated in the court system and Alec Peters and Axanar truly get what they deserves
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Well I guess with copyright, what someone "deserves" is at the discretion of the copyright holder.
I still think that the industry as a whole will be fighting behind the scenes here to prevent any precedent that lets someone raise a million dollars++ to make an unlicensed version of a copyrighted show, paying staff and investing in facilities along the way as well.
This would just be giving away the whole money machine.
RMB was complaining on Twitter today that the lawsuit hasn't gone away. Dude's got his head so far up AP's ass that his dentist is Peters' proctologist.
Screenshot before it vanishes. Side note: RMB blocked me on Twitter — took him a long while — but for those not saavy you can still view someone's Twitter account in Incognito Mode (or what my friend calls "porn mode").
Also, more proof of what an ass RMB is:
Source: https://twitter.com/BurnettRM/status/743355627292897280
I think at this point I've officially lost all desire to ever watch Free Enterprise. I've had it sitting on my Netflix disc queue for ages, but after all of this, I don't think I could even stand to watch something made by RMB.
The "real" Starfleet could have probably built an entire ship in the time it's taken them to get that far on their bridge.
I had the exact same thought.Licensing? AP don't need no stinking licensing!
All he needs is a few bucks worth of yard sale DVDs!
Um... Duh? You guys filed a pathetic excuse for a counterclaim.
Also, more proof of what an ass RMB is:
Source: https://twitter.com/BurnettRM/status/743355627292897280
What is AxaMonitor's quote from? That's familiar somehow.
I kinda figured by April that they would continue to keep going down the rabbit hole of insanity. I've not really seen any indications of self-realization from AP or RMB. Deep down, they both HAVE to know they're not getting out of the lawsuit, so why keep making things easier for the prosecution? RMB should feel lucky that he hasn't yet been named a DOE, why would he continue to tempt fate?
The date to name the John Doe defendants has passed. I asked the question already: to add him now would take a special request to the judge with STRONG reasoning why he needs to be added and a very good explanation why he wasn't before that deadline. Ergo, he feels safe because he pretty much is. He's not 100% safe, however, so he really shouldn't poke that bear too much.
Feels like it's going to last as long as Deflategate at this point.
How, exactly?
The only way I see this ending before trial is for LFIM to fall to his knees and beg for mercy. And that's not gonna happen.
Abrams and Lin spoke out of turn in declaring that the lawsuit would be "going away" in a few weeks. This is reflected in the response to the counterclaim.
Settlement negotiations were ordered in the court's response to the suit. It doesn't mean that there will be a settlement. It just means that they had to sit down face to face and talk. The countersuit tells me that not only is AP unhinged, but his pro bono legal team may be operating on blind ambition.
Read the articles about the Taurus/Stairway case. Judge Klausner is savvy, and from what we've seen in court documents, has a pretty good sense of humor.
This is not going away, in my opinion, any time soon.
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