Your friend's subliterate writing speaks volumes. Bless her ignorant heart.
Shootings in Orlando
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It's very sad and quite scary. The situation is getting worse, not better. We are experiencing the triumph of ignorance.
Your friend makes a good point, Miss Chicken. It doesn't matter whether the victims were gay, lesbian or straight, male or female, muslims, jews or christians. What counts is that more than 50 humans were killed. Humans who had friends, families, pets, colleagues, message board buddies, hopes, wishes and desires just like every single one of us. Humans who will be missed and who left a gap in other people's lives.
I don't know what can drive a fellow human to do such things but I am convinced that the reason was born out of a lot of despair and hatred. And if nobody previousely noticed all this fear and hatred in him, then something went seriousely wrong. What we need is a world full of people who care about each other and look after each other. If everyone felt loved, nobody would have a reason to hate.
I don't know what can drive a fellow human to do such things but I am convinced that the reason was born out of a lot of despair and hatred. And if nobody previousely noticed all this fear and hatred in him, then something went seriousely wrong. What we need is a world full of people who care about each other and look after each other. If everyone felt loved, nobody would have a reason to hate.
When should gay people be allowed to fly their flag if not when dozens of them have been murdered just for being gay?
I defriended my 'friend'.
I defriended my 'friend'.
Ah, now I see your point.
I didn't mean to say they shouldn't. By all means they should! What I meant to express (very clumsily, I fear) was that the media sort of put the victims in a drawer by focussing on their sexual orientation. The message they spread - propably inadvertently - can be read as "gays have been killed, so be glad you're straight and this doesn't really concern you".
I resent this latent sexism in the media. To me there is no difference between a gay man and a straight man (apart from the fact that the further won't show sexual interest in me
). Both are people and should be treated as such. And both have a right to show watever flag they want but they both are members of the same nation and the same mankind.
I didn't mean to say they shouldn't. By all means they should! What I meant to express (very clumsily, I fear) was that the media sort of put the victims in a drawer by focussing on their sexual orientation. The message they spread - propably inadvertently - can be read as "gays have been killed, so be glad you're straight and this doesn't really concern you".
I resent this latent sexism in the media. To me there is no difference between a gay man and a straight man (apart from the fact that the further won't show sexual interest in me
). Both are people and should be treated as such. And both have a right to show watever flag they want but they both are members of the same nation and the same mankind.
Actually that was more articulate than she often is. Sometimes I had trouble deciphering her posts.
She used to spam me with lots of Christian memes and prayer requests despite the fact that I told her I was an atheist. I often wondered how she would have felt if I had turned around and posted atheist memes to her Timeline.
It is sickening what happened, regardless of the shooters motives or beliefs. It is both a crime against the LGBT community and humankind as well.
Deepest sympathies to the victims, their families and friends.
Deepest sympathies to the victims, their families and friends.
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I'm not sure just how to add anything meaningful to this when the world seems to be shaped purely by people harming each other out of hate or just for fun. Here in the UK the news is literally bouncing between this, the violence in France and the barely concealed racism simmering in the EU referendum.
All the utopian ideals in the world start to seem ludicrous when apparently this is what humanity is all about.
All the utopian ideals in the world start to seem ludicrous when apparently this is what humanity is all about.
This is very true. A Gay member from Orlando on another forum I belong to posted this:
And I told him this would be true even if the clientele were exclusively Gay. When humans are attacked, all humans are impacted.Nick said:
I sort of understand that reaction. I have been surprised by the posts of some of my more vocal Christian family and friends. One is a lay minister, quite conservative, and his initial reaction in essence was "These were AMERICANS who were murdered."
^^^ Except for the four that were citizens of Mexico.
I don't think he knew that at the time.
If you want to split hairs, the Mexicans were citizens of America - North America.
Edited to correct that Mexico is in North America.
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No, she doesn't. She's making at best an incredibly ignorant and at worst a bigoted point.
Of course it matters that the majority of the victims were gay and that that was the reason they were targeted. It changes the nature of this incident from some random disgruntled asshole or nutjob going on a shooting rampage (still terrible, but not politically motivated) and makes it a case of domestic terrorism, and it informs the way we should deal with the aftermath. You can't begin to address the ills that give rise to such incidents without knowing all the facts, and since unfortunately this country has shown little motivation to want to deal with the rampant gun culture despite many attempts and the popularity of gun control proposals (which failed even after 20 kids and 6 teachers were killed at Sandy Hook), we have to also take action in other areas where we can hopefully get some movement.
I highly doubt that after the Charleston church shooting last year that this person was saying people shouldn't acknowledge that the victims were targeted by the white racist terrorist there because they were black, but somehow when it's gays who are open about their sexuality they should hide all reference to that and the incident should just be treated like any generic mass shooting (the fact that the term "generic mass shooting" actually makes sense because there's so many of them is appalling in itself). Well, no, screw that.
If you (general you) can't show your support for the victims of a shooting because they happen to be gay and you need them to pretend to not be, then you're part of the problem in the first place. I see a lot of people wanting to pretend that this guy and his hatred was entirely motivated by ISIS, and to be sure their anti-gay bigotry also played a huge part. But he was born and raised in the US and the rampant homophobia here also shaped his worldview, so pretending it's all down to one thing is not productive, nor is denying that the homophobic laws and rhetoric in this country also probably played a part in motivating this asshole.
Denial of bigotry is itself a form of bigotry. Treating everyone exactly the same is a nice ideal to strive for when we have a society that actually is fully equal, but it's a woefully inadequate policy in a society where women, people of color, LGBT individuals, the disabled, etc. are the victims of rampant bigotry, institutional oppression, biased laws and sentencing, and unequal access to education and housing and other services. Saying "All Lives Matter" as a rebuttal to the "Black Lives Matter" movement is not an attempt to be egalitarian, it's an attempt to suppress the fact that black people are inordinately the target of abusive and unfair police tactics and policy.
The acknowledgement of the racist nature of the Charleston terrorist attack directly led to the rapid decision to finally remove the Confederate flag from state buildings all over the South. Something that had been bitterly resisted for 150 years since the Civil War changed in a matter of weeks because of a tragedy. Right now there are state legislatures across the country making the non-issue of transgender people using the bathroom into a cause célèbre for bigoted and selfish political reasons, because heaven forbid instead of learning and changing they had to move on to a new target to fixate their ire on after they lost the same-sex marriage fight. Maybe some small bit of good can come from this tragedy as well and we'll drop those ridiculous laws that attempt to fix something that's not a problem, because there haven't been any cases of transgendered people preying on women or children in bathrooms.
That's one more reason not to deny the motives and nature of his crimes. We can only learn from openly acknowledging the truth first.
Mexico is in North America.
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The fundraiser at GoFundMe has raised over $3,700,000 in two days and this is by far the most ever raised in a GoFundMe campaign.
The previous record was around $2,500,000.
I just looked briefly at the thread started by my defriended 'friend'. Apart from people saying that I don't deserve to have her as a friend, others have told people not to donate to the victims of the Orlando shooting as they don't deserve it.
The previous record was around $2,500,000.
I just looked briefly at the thread started by my defriended 'friend'. Apart from people saying that I don't deserve to have her as a friend, others have told people not to donate to the victims of the Orlando shooting as they don't deserve it.
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You don't. This is a penalty only very bad people deserve.
What a bunch of horrible, horrible people. They absolutely deserve your former friend's "friendship".
If you want to split those hairs more accurately, Mexico is part of North America. And South America, just like North America, is a continent, not a nation, so you can't be a citizen of it anyway.
Miss Chicken, I would've unfriended that woman, too. And her friends who said that the victims don't deserve donations. Wow.
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