Except CBS and Paramount are two separate companies. Why should CBS cede the nuTrek fanbase to Paramount while restricting itself to the Prime universe? CBS will want to maximize its subscribers for this show and build a fanbase that will keep the franchise going another 50 years. Maybe the answer to that is Prime, maybe it's nuTrek, and maybe it's something new, but whatever the answer is, CBS will make that decision based on its own bottom line and not trying to keep two different fanbases happy by ceding an option to Paramount.
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Except CBS and Paramount are two separate companies. Why should CBS cede the nuTrek fanbase to Paramount while restricting itself to the Prime universe? CBS will want to maximize its subscribers for this show and build a fanbase that will keep the franchise going another 50 years. Maybe the answer to that is Prime, maybe it's nuTrek, and maybe it's something new, but whatever the answer is, CBS will make that decision based on its own bottom line and not trying to keep two different fanbases happy by ceding an option to Paramount.
I disagree. There's nothing in the "prime" universe that you can't tell in the Abramsverse or some new universe entirely. "Universes" and "time periods" are irrelevant. All that matters is the story you're trying to tell.
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"Come now Mr. Scott; young minds, fresh ideas! We must be tolerant."
Well, I guess if you roll the clock back so that Vulcan is still around that's true. And I won't even get started on the aesthetic differences (assuming the suits think modern = lens flares and cartoony pontoon-like nacelles). The universes aren't identical.
With the Klingon ship being labeled as a "sarcophagus ship", I suspect, if these are legit, that this is an ancient ship that's being discovered in-universe in the "present" of whatever era the show is being set in. I'd be surprised if it's indicative how the present-day Klingon ships would look like. Only time will tell, I guess...
I think it looks insectoid, but definitely not Klingon!
Maybe the show will tell the story of the Hur'q invasion?
Everything that you mentioned are cosmetic things, and quite frankly not important at all in distinguishing one "universe" from the next, at least as far as some person watching the new show who's never seen previous Trek before would know. Lens flares, nacelle shapes and Vulcan being gone are just nitpicky crap that only people at the TrekBBS care about.
I highly doubt it, since nobody knows who they are other than some name-dropped alien race mentioned in one forgettable DS9 episode from 20 years ago and never mentioned again.
How does Vulcan matter at all? The survivors from Vulcan set up a colony on a new planet. Now tell any story you want involving Vulcan and it doesn't matter if it's the original Vulcan or New Vulcan. Aesthetic differences have 0 baring on the story being told and will likely be different than either JJTrek or PrimeTrek. Unless you have desperate need for canon porn any story that can be told in one universe can be told in any other universe, the only people that care about the universe are small number of fans complaining on internet message boards.
It doesn't.
While I also highly doubt it - thats a perfect reason to tell the tale. A small, tiny piece of Trek lore that barely anyone will remember is well worth being used to expand upon and take inspiration from as you're both name dropping whilst being able to create a wholly new story with a familier and well established piece of the puzzle; The Klingons.
So what? I don't actually believe that it will be about the Hur'q, but why not? To most people it would be a completely new race, and to those who payed attention it would be an ancient enemy of the Klingon Empire.
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To play devil's advocate here: The universe ("prime" or "JJ") absolutely matters. For the fans.
That's the reason why J.K. Rowlings new books all take place in the Potter-universe, and not some unrelated wizard world. The reason why the Star Wars prequel made so much money is because it's the same Star Wars setting. If you are already interested in something, it's much easier for people to get excited about more of it. Something like "brand recognition" exists. Hell, I watched "Ant-Man" in cinemas, purely because it's part of the Marvel cinematic universe. I wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
That's a deeply personal connection that everyone has to decide on it's own on. I cared for Sam Raimi's "Spider-man". But I didn't care for Marc Webbs "The Amazing Spider-Man". It's a completely new, different entity for me, despite having the words "Spider-Man" in the title. And an inferiour at that.
In the same vein I care for the "Star Trek" universe. The main one. The new JJverse is a completely different entity for me. One that has yet to persuade me. If the new show is set in the JJverse, it will need to win me over the same way a completely unrelated sci-fi series would need to. I would watch it with the same level of interest as I watched the first episode of "The Expanse" or "Dark Matter", with the exact same probability of me just switching off, if it hasn't won me over after the second episode. If it's set in the "prime" universe on the other hand, I'm already guaranteed to watch it, and willing to support it even if it's mixed/bad in the beginning, the same way I watched all the other Trek shows, because I care so much for this universe and am willing to forgive more mistakes.
That's just my sentiment though (albeit one apparently shared by some other fans). If it's enough for you for something to have the words "Star Trek" in the title (and see for example no difference between "Spider-Man" and "The amazing Spider-Man") there's nothing wrong with it. It's just my personal sentiment that's different.
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Nitpicky crap? Not having Vulcan is nitpicky crap? Probably the single species most associated with Trek is Vulcans, via Spock. Not that you can't have any other survivors hanging around, but the home planet being gone still leaves a gaping hole in the continuity. At least with the nuTrek films they have Spock, but the new show won't be the K/S/M triumvirate. The aesthetic stuff they can fix by shifting the timeline forward, but Vulcan being gone is permanent. There's lasting damage in either continuity, Vulcan in nuTrek and Romulus in Prime.
Crap. The concept art got canned. So we'll most likely see something along the lines of Cathedral Klingons. Alliterates nice though...
What was that about the Federation ships? I think I missed those artpieces
There's no reason to suspect that anything got "canned" - we just got a glimpse into ONE of the ideas ONE artist had about ONE alien race. Who knows how anything will shake out at this point?
There was talk that one of the reasons Robert Duncan McNeill's character on Voyager was Tom Paris instead of Nick Locarno was because they didn't want to have to pay royalties to the writer of First Duty for every episode of Voyager. They'd likely have to pay similar royalties for using the Hur'q. So if you're Alex Kurtzman or Heather Kadin, why would you want to pay royalties for every episode when you can rename the alien species, have no effect on the story, and save money? I doubt even Fuller would want to use the Hur'q, but if he did, he's need to come up with a very compelling story reason why it had to be the Hur'q and not a brand new alien species.
Again, what story can't you tell now that Vulcan is destroyed? If the survivors are living on a new planet why does it matter creatively that their old planet was destroyed. If anything, I have an easier time coming up with stories that can only be told given the destruction of Vulcan than stories that can no longer happen.
It sounds like you're complaining about Romulus being destroyed too. So effectively you want a static universe that never changes?
Yep, because the planet itself is irrelevant. How many times did we see it in TOS? Twice. How many times in TNG? Once. How many times in DS9? Zero. Voyager? Once, in the time of TOS in a Tuvok flashback.
And as for the Vulcan race itself? There will be just enough Vulcans around to cater to whatever story they need to be a part of.
Sorry, I should have been more clear. I meant that the artpieces got wisked away by the Forces That Are, but I haven't seen the Federation pieces yet. I only saw the Klingon set and the weird insectoid design.
Wait. Insectiod... Xindi?
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