As much as Alec opens his big mouth on Facebook if I'm c/p I definitely have somebody in his group to screenshot all his stupid rants and where he contradicts himself.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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As much as Alec opens his big mouth on Facebook if I'm c/p I definitely have somebody in his group to screenshot all his stupid rants and where he contradicts himself.
They may have done although I wouldn't have thought the anecdotal evidence knocking around here would be much use to either side. Some of the memes may have brought smiles to some faces and who doesn't love a good 'Downfall' parody (as an aside that movie is now totally ruined for me. When I first watched it there was no parody collection doing the rounds but now it's pretty much the only scene I can remember with clarity!)?
They'd have a heavy rotation, then, as the empty shells of Axanar claims are made visible and supporter after supporter decides to find a different fan film to back (assuming there will be any). Backing off of defending Axanar actual, and instead defending what could have been in theory if a certain personality had not had other plans.
I'm assuming Axanar camp readers here are rational and reflect on the more serious observations, and offer their thoughts appropriately as is expected of everyone. Marines would not be able to hold their fire at the chortles here to jaw dropping Axanar statements. I think the Marines have realized they can't parachute-invade en masse because their parachutes are made of overcooked spaghetti and their official Axanar shouting-down points are only gamer-grade pewpew simulations of intellectual discourse. And they are all holding their breath to see whether JJ catches on.
Gosh, a little anger and criticism, a little unfair stereotyping? Well, I say again, contrast Alec with the image of DeForest Kelley as Axanar producer. It says it all. It justifies the dislike of Axanar's management history at emotional and moral, not just factual levels. The Axanar management conduct is indefensible, completely independent of any abstract concept of making a fan film about the proposed subject. Anyone who does defend the actual conduct, frankly, deserves criticism.
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Perhaps,the TrollSpies will appreciate a nice recipie for
Axanar Pie. Maybe they can bring it to the High Lord Infringer, when he serves his penance.
Axanar Pie (with respect to Madame Chief Justice Jespah)
Ingredients:
1 Length of Trailer with Vulcan spices
4 Props from Star Trek (authentic and fresh...or not)
At Least one IP (add more to taste)
A bushel of Minions (cut up and diced, because; Self-Preservation)
2 or 3 websites, Heavily Edited for Content
1 Webstore, with Premiums
Mix above ingredients to taste...
Find (Build) a large space, with high amp capacity
Slowly stir in Contracts and Agreements, whatever
Add Appearances at Cons
Carefully chop up a couple of video interviews
Obtain 1 Prestigious Law Firm
Purée 10-20 Fibs and mask in slowly
Pour ingredients into Large GreenScreenPan
Change name of Large Space (above)
Set aside to Settle (or not)
Axanar Pie Crust Dough$$$
Mix Dough$$$ from Webstore and Prop $ales with;
70 cups of Fleecing™ Flour (bleached and purified)
Many Thousands of Donors (careful!, remove shells when breaking)
Premiums never awarded (reserve some, in case of future "recipes")
Dribble in Coffee©, to taste (mixture should be moist and icky)
(Careful not to spill on floor...or Carpet®)
Pour Mess...er - sorry...pour Mixture into Large Courtroom
Fold Crust over Entire Venue
Don't forget to Prick (yep) top of Crust
Cook till Finished...Pie should be steaming and crust should be crisp
Slice into Portions, and sell at new Webstore devoted to Documentary on "How to Make Axanar Pie".
Axanar Pie. Maybe they can bring it to the High Lord Infringer, when he serves his penance.
Axanar Pie (with respect to Madame Chief Justice Jespah)
Ingredients:
1 Length of Trailer with Vulcan spices
4 Props from Star Trek (authentic and fresh...or not)
At Least one IP (add more to taste)
A bushel of Minions (cut up and diced, because; Self-Preservation)
2 or 3 websites, Heavily Edited for Content
1 Webstore, with Premiums
Mix above ingredients to taste...
Find (Build) a large space, with high amp capacity
Slowly stir in Contracts and Agreements, whatever
Add Appearances at Cons
Carefully chop up a couple of video interviews
Obtain 1 Prestigious Law Firm
Purée 10-20 Fibs and mask in slowly
Pour ingredients into Large GreenScreenPan
Change name of Large Space (above)
Set aside to Settle (or not)
Axanar Pie Crust Dough$$$
Mix Dough$$$ from Webstore and Prop $ales with;
70 cups of Fleecing™ Flour (bleached and purified)
Many Thousands of Donors (careful!, remove shells when breaking)
Premiums never awarded (reserve some, in case of future "recipes")
Dribble in Coffee©, to taste (mixture should be moist and icky)
(Careful not to spill on floor...or Carpet®)
Pour Mess...er - sorry...pour Mixture into Large Courtroom
Fold Crust over Entire Venue
Don't forget to Prick (yep) top of Crust
Cook till Finished...Pie should be steaming and crust should be crisp
Slice into Portions, and sell at new Webstore devoted to Documentary on "How to Make Axanar Pie".
I'm gettig hungry already.....
I can't help but think that IF I knew I was going to raise $1.3 million dollars and my goal was to use C/P's I.P. to build a for profit studio, I would have gone about it quite differently.
It's been nearly 2 years since the basic, green screened Prelude has been released followed by 2 years of public relations and still they raised another $1.2 million after just that one 20 minute thing. Give credit where credit is due, Alec knows how to shake down people for money while casting a spell over them to think they are getting a top notch product.
I'd be talking about releasing episode 5 by now and if people were filling up the crowd funding offers left and right, I'd be giving them a steady stream of epic video game battles and close up shots of the Captain screaming to raise shields & fire phases.
Alec would never had to release a financial statement to appease the donors after 2 years, I wonder who or how many people begin asking if they wasted their donation or bringing it to C/P's attention.
I saw the statement and my 1st thought was, "Wait a minute, Axanar is paying people to create C/P's IP?" On it's own level I feel that violates fair use, I was surprised that wasn't the centerpiece of the lawsuit. If my understanding is correct, you can recreate a Vulcan, Klingon, Star Ship or setting but you can't charge a fee for doing so.
Money is a funny thing, there are talented people that will do things for part ownership down the road over making a quick buck today. Maybe we give Alec to much credit for his diabolical plot to own the galaxy.
It's been nearly 2 years since the basic, green screened Prelude has been released followed by 2 years of public relations and still they raised another $1.2 million after just that one 20 minute thing. Give credit where credit is due, Alec knows how to shake down people for money while casting a spell over them to think they are getting a top notch product.
I'd be talking about releasing episode 5 by now and if people were filling up the crowd funding offers left and right, I'd be giving them a steady stream of epic video game battles and close up shots of the Captain screaming to raise shields & fire phases.
Alec would never had to release a financial statement to appease the donors after 2 years, I wonder who or how many people begin asking if they wasted their donation or bringing it to C/P's attention.
I saw the statement and my 1st thought was, "Wait a minute, Axanar is paying people to create C/P's IP?" On it's own level I feel that violates fair use, I was surprised that wasn't the centerpiece of the lawsuit. If my understanding is correct, you can recreate a Vulcan, Klingon, Star Ship or setting but you can't charge a fee for doing so.
Money is a funny thing, there are talented people that will do things for part ownership down the road over making a quick buck today. Maybe we give Alec to much credit for his diabolical plot to own the galaxy.
One part of the suit is an allegation of personal financial gain.
But - the truth of it is - profit is not an element of this cause of action. However, the allegation of personal financial gain is an aspect of proving damages.
If I am CBS/Paramount, and the case is not on the brink of settling (hard to say at the moment), then one of the things I am doing in discovery is subpoenaing all financial records, AKA the books. I would also subpoena someone to testify about them at deposition. I believe that would be Mr. McIntosh although I am not certain.
But - the truth of it is - profit is not an element of this cause of action. However, the allegation of personal financial gain is an aspect of proving damages.
If I am CBS/Paramount, and the case is not on the brink of settling (hard to say at the moment), then one of the things I am doing in discovery is subpoenaing all financial records, AKA the books. I would also subpoena someone to testify about them at deposition. I believe that would be Mr. McIntosh although I am not certain.
I don't think Terry would be able to say more than, "I saw transactions happening." My sources tell me that Alec is the sole person with complete control over Axanar's money.
That's why I don't think Alec had a very good diabolical plot to begin with. I'm also not sure if Loeb and Loeb had much more than toss the book at him and watch Alec fold (which should have happened in about 13 seconds). The Coffee deal may be the only case of infringing Alec might be personally and directly responsible for, after that his production company only purchased material that infringed on CP's IP.
I don't know, AP has a long traceable history of underhanded dealings. It might not have started out as a million dollar scam, but he wasted no time turning it into one when the opportunity presented itself. He saw a chance to finally have the empire his ego demanded, and went for it. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
As far as "folding," anyone in his right mind would have called it quits when the nice folks at CBS made it known that they did not approve of his world building venture. But this is LFIM we're talking about. His consistent posturing and pushing back makes me think he's not exactly firing on all thrusters.
Plus, he gots the crazy eyes.
I didn't know a star ship could do warp 8.7, BACKWARDS!
- Coffee
- Ares Class Ship Models
- Trying to get an author who HAD done some Star Trek novels to pen 'Axanar' novels under a pen name once Alec informed him Axanar Productions didn't have a licensing agreement...
I agree, Alec Peters MAY have started with the idea of "just doing his ultimate Star Trek fan film..." but I also think once he saw the buzz and the pledge/donation money rolling in - he definitely decided to see just how much he could monetize 'Axanar' for himself and his personal side business; and I'm sure thought if he got a big enough following; Paramount/CBS would touch him in the year of Star trek's 50tyh Anniversary as if they did - in his mind - Alec thought he'd turn Star Trek fandom against them - and they'd back off.
Now, it didn't go as planned as he didn't get the utter groundswell of support he expected from rank and file Star Trek fandom; but he obviously did scare JJ Abrams/Justin Lin enough that they felt the whole lawsuit situation might affect 'Star Trek: Beyond' boxes office receipts enough that they lobbied to get C/P to settle (when C/P were clearly and unequivocally prevailing in the case so far); and thus giving the weasel Alec Peters another 'out' (assuming he's smart enough to grab it and get out of this without loosing his shirt and then some) .
But, (and based on his past business ventures) make no mistake that Alec Peters knew and PLANNED to 'cross the line' - but at worst expected at best a small slap on the wrist while he took what Star Trek fans (myself included unfortunately <-- but I'll own my mistake) gave him monetarily to the bank.
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Agreed. I don't think he started out shilling for money, I think he really did want to produce a great Star Trek fan film, but his hubris got the best of him, and suddenly everything had to be the best. It wasn't enough to be a good fan film, he had to create the BEST INDEPENDENT PRODUCTION. It wasn't enough to have a green screen, it has to be THE LARGEST GREEN SCREEN. He got carried away, and he let himself start believing his own hype faster than Gene Roddenberry at a Star Trek convention full of hippies. Of course, none of that excuses his behavior, which has been deplorable, but I really do think he started out wanting a great fan film. The end result, though, is pure greed and malicious intent towards other people and productions, and for that he deserves to be knocked down.
^^^^ the difference between if AP had folded up shop at the logical time or continued down the road of madness he chose^^^^
He could have easily shut it down. It was already stated in the fundraisers that if the hammer fell it would be done. As for the warehouse, leases are broken all the time. All he'd have to do is file bankruptcy and walk away. He's done it before, with MGM. "Just business," as he said then.
He might have experienced some financial fallout, a dip in his credit score, whatever, but Axanar Productions would have absorbed the big hit. I think incorporating was the one thing he did right, to protect his own interest.
His ego would have survived intact, and it wouldn't have been long before he had another venture planned to relieve people of their disposable income.
That said, I'm not trained as an attorney. I'm just a guy with a little bit of common sense and a pretty good BS detector.
Dear Donors,
With deep regret I must announce that C/P decided to issue a C&D to the Axanar project. As you are all aware Axanar is little more than a minor subplot to a single episode, be that as it may the Axanar team has developed an ultra exciting script filled with action and adventure, the likes of which no person has ever seen before. It would have been my life dream to deliver this to the Star Trek Community.
Moving forward we still have an adventure to deliver, a team of the top of the line, hand picked studio production experts and actors in place that you want to see. Most of all, some of the brightest, most loyal fans ever assembled in the science fiction community are right here and I don't intend to allow some corporation tell you what you can or what you can't be a part of. Your voices have been heard and with or without the Star Trek brand on it, I intend to deliver exactly what you have asked for.
As soon as I post this message we will begin a new voyage, this new adventure will begin with purging every Star Trek detail and rebranding this adventure under the Aries Constellation.
We are almost there, Prelude to Aries is our next stop so watch for our next fund raiser and spread the word, Aries Is Coming!
Thank you for your support.
Sincerely
A P
Exec of the universe.
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Pull that off and Alec has his studio, Aries Coffee, Digital Download and maybe (heavy doubt) creates a brand for the next 50 years.
With deep regret I must announce that C/P decided to issue a C&D to the Axanar project. As you are all aware Axanar is little more than a minor subplot to a single episode, be that as it may the Axanar team has developed an ultra exciting script filled with action and adventure, the likes of which no person has ever seen before. It would have been my life dream to deliver this to the Star Trek Community.
Moving forward we still have an adventure to deliver, a team of the top of the line, hand picked studio production experts and actors in place that you want to see. Most of all, some of the brightest, most loyal fans ever assembled in the science fiction community are right here and I don't intend to allow some corporation tell you what you can or what you can't be a part of. Your voices have been heard and with or without the Star Trek brand on it, I intend to deliver exactly what you have asked for.
As soon as I post this message we will begin a new voyage, this new adventure will begin with purging every Star Trek detail and rebranding this adventure under the Aries Constellation.
We are almost there, Prelude to Aries is our next stop so watch for our next fund raiser and spread the word, Aries Is Coming!
Thank you for your support.
Sincerely
A P
Exec of the universe.
.........
Pull that off and Alec has his studio, Aries Coffee, Digital Download and maybe (heavy doubt) creates a brand for the next 50 years.
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