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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Good to know. I've been using the #copyright hashtag a lot. Too bad #intellectualproperty is so many characters :(

:lol: agreed. but check out the roster of companies posting there. IP is a monster large industry and the tag would reach into all aspects.. patents, trademark, treaties, etc...

Might even get more W&S more collegial visibility for their project, which I'd bet they may not particularly want to respond to, if their masterplan is getting Alec'd out of existence.
 
What he said was, "In fact, shortly after CBS/Paramount dropped their suit on Axanar Productions..." when he should have written, "In fact, shortly after CBS/Paramount sued Axanar Productions...".
Imprecise wording from someone who supposedly makes his living by precise words. Could it possibly have been intentionally imprecise in an effort to obfuscate the truth and placate those who desperately cling to the hope that Axanar is somehow innocent in all this?
 
Imprecise wording from someone who supposedly makes his living by precise words. Could it possibly have been intentionally imprecise in an effort to obfuscate the truth and placate those who desperately cling to the hope that Axanar is somehow innocent in all this?

No! Say its not so! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
I made a mistake, too. What he said was, "In fact, shortly after CBS/Paramount dropped their suit on Axanar Productions..." when he should have written absolutely nothing.

Neil
 
I do know that there is a lot of you who don't live in the USA but if any one who do see this that do live in our country and the state of California, that can or could go to help with the support with him. If any ones of you who know any one in California, I do want to here back from them about this big issue we are running into with CBS/P?.

Don't you get it, Kenny? Alec pretty much stands alone. He screwed up royally and most people won't touch him with a 50' pole. I can't tell if you're being serious or not here but there are a ton of reasons why CBS/P are in the right and Axanar is in the wrong. They've been gone into ad nauseum in this thread but the basic point is: Alec Peters made money off of something that wasn't his to make money off of. That something is the intellectual property that belongs to CBS and Paramount relating to Star Trek.

He broke the law. Period. He's hurt a lot of people. Period. Not sure why anyone stands with him at this point. If you could explain why you do, that'd be great.
 
I do have a question for you please?
What part of the area of the LA downtown?, are you near union station?. Or what part of town. I was born in the la area I know about it.
Thank you, I am just hope to meet you soon?.

My mother always told me: when a stranger reaches out to you on the internet asking to meet you, you should always say yes. In fact, you should give them your name, address, especially your PIN number.
 
Yeah, I've been thinking this since late January after google researching Ms. Ranahan (for all that's worth anyway) and running into cases back then where copyright lines are being successfully being chipped and moved around. Loeb&Loeb says on one of their website pages that IP boundaries are currently fluid. (I did post their quote & the link a ways back upthread) I think she's smart, that one. Although I unequivocally think she will do her all out best for this defendant I do not and never have thought this case was taken out of the goodness of heart but instead because 'something' is seen and being worked on there for her, and her firm.

AND.. I am absolutely very very extremely totally really really really hoping I'm truly categorically decidedly unconditionally wrong about everything and will be very grateful and happy to be wrong, but to use that phrase 'I have a bad feeling about this.'
I probably read most the same stuff. I've written my concerns about the effects of crowd funding and fan films long ago but nobody wished to hear it, can't say that I blame them.
Back in Jr High and High school one of my class mates had and 8mm, cutting, editing equipment and we lived where there were plenty of rolling hills, trees, creeks and cattle. We filmed some sort of Tarzan complete with a collie dog and malamute, real live cattle chases and the works....lol It was enough to get hooked but as all childhood things you have to set them aside for 10,20, 40 years. Retirement is now around the corner and I just wanted to become involved in some part of it again which isn't easy if all you can do is write. Most fan films already have plenty of stories or started out by a writer and I was god awful rusty as hell and these new fangled computer things wasn't the same as witting in the margins of old magazines.
After a while I ran into Randy with Project Potemkin, he took the time to read a script, rework it to fit into his format and ever since has allowed me to become as involved in his fan film as I can possibly be from a couple thousand miles away.
Over the years we have people come in, if they can hold a boom mic, paint hammer a nail Randy will teach them from that point on, whatever direction they want to go, some of the kids move on to a real job, some move on with life knowing they actually did something and that's all we were ever about. We do turn out some nice zero budget work but never expect to compete with a fan supported production.
If there is a loss of fan films over this, its not the IP, the lawyers or Hollywood ego's I worry about, It's all the young people (and every fan film has a few) that will never get the opportunity to became involved, never have their minds engaged to the fact that they can create something or become a part of something positive.
This is what fan films mean to me and why I urge Alex to give up this battle, although now I fear it may already be too late.
 
That was probably how it got up there, but now somebody has pulled it down. No doubt all social media staff at Paramount have been instructed to memorize Peters' face in order to prevent such mishaps in the future.

Wonder if Axanar fans had already been advised of the triumph of the video being on the site.
 
Okay, appologize but out of sheer laziness, I don't want to go through the last 100 or so pages, so I'll just ask. I heard the anaxar lawsuit was dropped. Is this true?
 
Okay, appologize but out of sheer laziness, I don't want to go through the last 100 or so pages, so I'll just ask. I heard the anaxar lawsuit was dropped. Is this true?

No. Abrams said that the lawsuit was "going away." Somehow, the media translated that into "dropped." However, CBS/Paramount and Axanar have both confirmed that they are in settlement discussions, so settlement is probably what Abrams was referring to. With the counterclaim filed by Axanar against CBS/Paramount the other day, the state of these negotiations is a matter of discussion.

Can anyone else think of anything to add or did I sum it up pretty well?
 
No. Abrams said that the lawsuit was "going away." Somehow, the media translated that into "dropped." However, CBS/Paramount and Axanar have both confirmed that they are in settlement discussions, so settlement is probably what Abrams was referring to. With the counterclaim filed by Axanar against CBS/Paramount the other day, the state of these negotiations is a matter of discussion.

Can anyone else think of anything to add or did I sum it up pretty well?

Thank you Good sir. If I may make one more uneducated question, I can see everyone's angry at axanar for making money off the property. How did his happen? Kept the Kickstarter funds? Sold merchandise?
 
How did his happen? Kept the Kickstarter funds? Sold merchandise?
Both. He paid himself a $38K salary as executive producer and built a studio (when he had ready-made sets available to him) that he intends to keep / use to make more movies (some for-profit) / rent out to other film production projects. He's raised on the high-side of a million dollars and had well over a year to start filming but never did (save for "The Vulcan Scene").
 
Okay, appologize but out of sheer laziness, I don't want to go through the last 100 or so pages, so I'll just ask. I heard the anaxar lawsuit was dropped. Is this true?

Thank you Good sir. If I may make one more uneducated question, I can see everyone's angry at axanar for making money off the property. How did his happen? Kept the Kickstarter funds? Sold merchandise?

You can read axamonitor for the details. Basically, Axanar told fans that before they could mount their epic multimillion dollar plan, they had to build themselves a studio, which they proceeded to do, and they told fans they would keep the studio and use it for for profit business not related to Trek in the future. They spent over a half million on this. They paid some of their regular line staff who are not specialized actors or technicians. They made fundraising projects selling Axanar related items which were Trek IP, without getting a license from the studios.

They told the donors all of this was ok with the studios, trust the Axanar staff, they are experienced. CBS told them through public statement they did not approve of having their IP be used to make private profit, and were considering action. There was the lawsuit in December.

Now, aside from the lawsuit, the studios say they will issue guidelines for fan films (which will probably impact all fan creative activity, and not just Trek either), which is happening in the worst possible circumstance, where the studios are looking at what Axanar did over the line, and considering how to protect themselves. Or, alternate theory, the studios wanted to clamp down for a long time because of new media making too much competition, and Axanar has provided perfect cover.

So who is mad? Take your pick. Fan film companies. Fan fic writers. Donors who don't agree and then got banned from the Axanar website and refused refunds. Fans who look at it from the outside and believe the business process and attitude towards donors and studio rights stinks. Wil Wheaton, who has much stronger words. All of the long, long, long list of people verbally abused (not kidding) by the Axanar management for questioning anything. The list goes on and on. Eventually, it seems almost inevitable that list will include the California Attorney General and a class action lawsuit, since the crowdfunding projects probably won't happen and enough has emerged to make it clear that there probably wasn't due diligence by Axanar to actually get the films done.

Grab popcorn, watch the tsunami come in. Gaze in amazement at the hypnotism being practised upon the Axanar fans in their walled garden website. Thrill at the endless spectacle of wildly overstated legal claims by Axanar's counsel. Be humbled by Alec's on-the-Federal-court-record recounting of how his mommy would put him to bed at 8 but get him up at 10 to watch Trek, he was and is *such* a big fan.

"One man..."

The best preview reel ever.
 
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You can read axamonitor for the details. Basically, Axanar told fans that before they could mount their epic multimillion dollar plan, they had to build themselves a studio, which they proceeded to do, and they told fans they would keep the studio and use it for for profit business not related to Trek in the future. They spent over a half million on this. They paid some of their regular line staff who are not specialized actors or technicians. They made fundraising projects selling Axanar related items which were Trek IP, without getting a license from the studios.

They told the donors all of this was ok with the studios, trust the Axanar staff, they are experienced. CBS told them through public statement they did not approve of having their IP be used to make private profit, and were considering action. There was the lawsuit in December.

Now the studios say they will issue guidelines for fan films (which will probably impact all fan creative activity, and not just Trek either), which is happening in the worst possible circumstance, where the studios are looking at what Axanar did over the line, and considering how to protect themselves.

So who is mad? Take your pick. Fan film companies. Fan fic writers. Donors who don't agree and then got banned from the Axanar website and refused refunds. Fans who look at it from the outside and believe it stinks. The list goes on and on.

Don't forget, he was using funds to travel to conventions to further ask for funds....
 
After I saw this picture, I immediately thought of this:

"You still don't get it, do you?...That's what he does! That's ALL he does! You can't stop him!..."
"Listen, and understand! That (Infringor) is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until (Fan Films) are dead."


Huh, all that is missing from the picture above are the skulls of the fans...

Sorry, having a Dark morning.
:lol::techman::rofl::beer:
 
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