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Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion

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^ Now you're just being petulant. Either you find box office figures interesting, or you don't. If you don't, that's perfectly fine, but then you should recuse yourself from the discussion entirely.

If we estimate that both movies cost $500m to make and market, a fair assumption, then Civil War's current profits exceed those of BvS by 63%:
(1103-500) / (871-500) = 1.63

I don't know about anyone else, but I'll take $16,300 over $10,000 any day. :p
 
dodge said:
I don't.
I find people's reactions to them interesting.
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You're not fooling anyone. You argued that BvS isn't a financial disappointment compared to CW, and when presented with figures (estimates, granted, but solid ones) showing that the latter made 63% more, you're saying "but what does it matter; I'm above it all."

There's no shame in being proved wrong so long if you gracefully concede the point. But to declare the discussion silly after you're proved wrong is, again, petulant.
 
Gaith said:
You argued that BvS isn't a financial disappointment compared to CW
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That is not what I was argued. I didn't really argue anything.
I just pointed out they both under-performed relative to expectations and how the public reaction to one of them under-performing is much more severe than the other.
 
^ You've yet to substantiate your claim of Civil War underperforming, a claim I simply don't buy, and a 63% (and growing) profit margin difference is absolutely a significant one. You keep swinging, yet the ball keeps landing in the catcher's glove.
 
The Old Mixer said:
And this isn't their second-tier stuff...this is the best that DC has.
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I would also argue that three of the features super heroes in BvS are way bigger names than the majority of the characters in Civil War. Everybody has known who Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are for decades now, but most non-comics fans probably wouldn't have known who Iron Man, Ant-Man, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Black Widow, or Falcon were before the MCU was big. I think Capt. America is probably the only who could maybe come close to having the long term cultural awareness that DC's Trinity does.
That fact that BvS can't reach the same level as CW is really kind of sad.
 
dodge said:
1,2 < 1,4
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If they'd been expecting Avengers numbers, they could easily have called the movie Avengers: Civil War, and, given the cast, who would have complained? No, they called it Captain America: Civil War because they expected a Winter Soldier-level movie with an Iron Man boost, which is exactly what they got. (CA:TWS - 714m, CA:CW - 1,103 and counting.) And we're still waiting for you to substantiate those expected grosses of 1.6bn that you seem to have pulled from your posterior.
 
Gaith said:
And we're still waiting for you to substantiate those expected grosses of 1.6bn that you seem to have pulled from your posterior.
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I pulled that from literally the first link you get when you google captain america civil war box office predictions

If you look at actual articles from days before release they tend to be even more optimistic.
Some even claimed it could hit The Force Awakens numbers.
 
dodge said:
If you look at actual articles from days before release they tend to be even more optimistic.
Some even claimed it could hit The Force Awakens numbers.
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Well, that particular no-name Cinema Blend writer was silly for saying so. It's true that there were some wild floated predictions thrown around in the days before CW's release that weren't met, but that doesn't make its 1+bn total a disappointment to the Disney executives to whom the numbers actually matter, whereas it's clear that WB is very much concerned not only with their take, but the implications of audience feedback for their upcoming slate. And, as I showed with that 63% figure, CW is the much more profitable entry.
 
Apparently everyone but Snyder and Goyer wanted Superman to kill Zod in "Man of Steel". It just fell on deaf ears for Snyder

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-history-of-zack-snyder-defending-the-end-of-man-1763888746


In the original version of the script, he just got zapped into the Phantom Zone. David [S. Goyer] and I had long talked about it, and Chris [Nolan] and I talked long about it. And I was like, “I really think he should kill Zod, and I really feel like Superman should kill him.” This account is backed up by Goyer, who, in the same podcast, said that Nolan told them there was no way they could have that ending. He flat out told them not to write it. Goyer added that they talked to people at DC who told them “No way. No way.” Which Goyer and Snyder apparently didn’t see as a logical reading of the character, and more of a challenge to find the one situation where Superman would kill.
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I don't think many people seriously considered it a flop--it would have had to do much less business for that to have been the case--but it does appear to be a disappointment, yes.
 
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