CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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What Indiegogo or Kickstarter do I have to donate to for that? I WANT one!
So many merchandising opportunities here.
What Indiegogo or Kickstarter do I have to donate to for that? I WANT one!
you'll have to donate to my private donor store, then I'll send you the link and you can buy it. all proceeds go to my minimum wage salary. Might make a film too, but probably not.
......as a side note, I have ordered one and my wife will not be pleased with me spending money to amuse myself when it arrives
Would that really be a "much more than" minimum wage and can I see your annual report before I donate? And will there be sushi? And a new floor?you'll have to donate to my private donor store, then I'll send you the link and you can buy it. all proceeds go to my minimum wage salary. Might make a film too, but probably not.
......as a side note, I have ordered one and my wife will not be pleased with me spending money to amuse myself when it arrives
I think a $5 million kinky starter should cover it.you'll have to donate to my private donor store, then I'll send you the link and you can buy it. all proceeds go to my minimum wage salary. Might make a film too, but probably not.
......as a side note, I have ordered one and my wife will not be pleased with me spending money to amuse myself when it arrives
We'll have to wait over a year for it to ship though, right?you'll have to donate to my private donor store, then I'll send you the link and you can buy it. all proceeds go to my minimum wage salary. Might make a film too, but probably not.
......as a side note, I have ordered one and my wife will not be pleased with me spending money to amuse myself when it arrives
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Alec "fighting for the rights" of fan film producers is like Bernie Madoff stepping forward to volunteer to defend the image of securities traders.
As someone else has already pointed out: why does the guy who's collected over a million dollars and after years of self-promotion and Internet panhandling has managed to emit less than 25 minutes of some talking heads imagine that *anyone's* interested in his desire to "represent" people and productions who successfully produce many hours of popular entertainment - "Star Trek Continues," "Star Trek New Voyages" and "Starship Farragut," to mention three groups who've contributed vastly more to fan films than Alec Peters has.
Whatever he may imagine, the producers of other projects have now made immediately and unambiguously clear how much they care for his fantasy that he's a leader or "trailblazer" of some kind. wink emoticon
No one in authority at either CBS or Paramount has solicited Mein Producer's input on any guidelines they're considering laying out for fan productions. He has no one's ear, so he needn't make this extravagant pretense that anyone cares about what he proposes.
As someone else has already pointed out: why does the guy who's collected over a million dollars and after years of self-promotion and Internet panhandling has managed to emit less than 25 minutes of some talking heads imagine that *anyone's* interested in his desire to "represent" people and productions who successfully produce many hours of popular entertainment - "Star Trek Continues," "Star Trek New Voyages" and "Starship Farragut," to mention three groups who've contributed vastly more to fan films than Alec Peters has.
Whatever he may imagine, the producers of other projects have now made immediately and unambiguously clear how much they care for his fantasy that he's a leader or "trailblazer" of some kind. wink emoticon
No one in authority at either CBS or Paramount has solicited Mein Producer's input on any guidelines they're considering laying out for fan productions. He has no one's ear, so he needn't make this extravagant pretense that anyone cares about what he proposes.
I was roasted over an open pit early on for suggesting Prelude was one of the worse productions I've ever seen $10,000 wasted on..... or was that $70,000 or $100,000.
That'll be the bare bones. £22 an hour, I'll barely be able to buy sushi! I'll only manage a few crates a day!
You kidding? It'll take me that long to figure out how to use mail merge. By which point I'll have a mate make a labelling program. Pens are too expensive.
I'm actually fascinated by their very open responses. A lot have been politely quiet (which I kind of agree with - I don't bash my competition no mater how much they annoy me) so to see the mall open up now is.... enlightening. Not that I didn't doubt or already know their views - but if you don't believe in something or someone, it's refreshing to hear a production say it instead of being polite.
It looked good. I honestly think Prelude is 99% down to Tommy Kraft's work (and whatever direction was put into it, to be fair). Not to bash the actors or performances, but it was style over substance and Kraft deserves major credit for that.
The reason I thought $10,000 was to much for Prelude was because it was a simple green screen and billed as a Fan Film. On a Fan Film, like minded people get together and add their skills to the production. Are there costs? Yes Paint, costumes, Camera, software, hardware, lunch. From what I've read Tommy was reimbursed $300 for his wonderful work (seems perfectly reasonable) They raised $101,000 and claimed back in 2014 that the cost of production was $70,000.
This is NOT what a Fan Film is about, nearly anyone can raise $1.3 million and pay to have people piece together a project and apparently even this is on the verge of failure.
Honestly this isn't bashing our fellow competition because in no way is this multi named Star Trek production company even close to a Fan Production.
If I thought in any way this was an actual fan film you would hear my applause for what a bunch of fans got together and created.
Did Tommy Kraft get $300? I got the impression he was unpaid from his post - $300 is still REALLY low for the amount of work involved, just curious (for factual reasons etc).
Fair assessment on costs etc. Thats one of the issues I have - not just with Axanar to be completely fair. Peters' report highlighted that they didn't *need* that money, or to build sets etc - but they wanted it. To the same degree I can say the same for other productions expenses - there's a lot of stuff they don't need to tell the story.
I'm not suggesting anyone who spends what they don't have to as being scammers at all in the slightest. But $1.3 million is ambition, greed and project creep gone mad when there's bugger all to show for it and a statement saying "We could have used this set, but we deserve better"
Just for a sense of proportion: you could make 50 "The Tressaurian Intersecton"s for what Alec raised.
The thing about Alec is that everything he does is about Alec. He wants to the locus of fanfilms but can only manage to be a locust, chewing up everything.
The thing about Alec is that everything he does is about Alec. He wants to the locus of fanfilms but can only manage to be a locust, chewing up everything.
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Yes, STC could have completed their entire planned series of 13 episodes AND have enough money left over to do 3 bonus episodes for what AP has brought in.
Yes but they wouldn't have a STUDIO or COFFEE or MODELS. PATCHES, did I mention the patches!
No, those bridges are less than smoldering ashes by now. What you smell now is the rest of the fan-film world burning Axanar in effigy. Good word, that. It's like saying, "Effigy Him!"
It's hard to put an exact finger on. I am not a Peter hater, I just feel he is confused over the term "Fan Film"
I had a very short conversation with him several years ago during his 1st fund raiser in which I mildly questioned a few things but was told it was Okay because his Star Trek was non canon. I dropped it right there and didn't bother to respond figuring that someone greater than I would set him straight.
When our production company needs something built, the Exec is out with a saw, hammer and nails while others are sewing, painting or whatever, It's a club of sorts and I wish I was a couple thousands of miles closer so I could help out more.
What Alex created doesn't even resemble any of the Fan film studio production I follow and it's always bothered me any time I've seen fan films and Alex's created production company lumped into a single sentence. Now Friday comes along and Alex is going to speak on behalf of Fan Films. I'm sure this has bothered many true fan films because who ends up getting regulated for what he has done? I think even Abrams and Lin have referred to Axanar as a fan film. I can help but wonder who gave them that idea!
I've always thought of it more along the lines of
# Fan Film production:
A Club of like minded fans that produce film content with resources that mostly come from within the club.
# Fan Supported production
An existing studio with fan base membership funding large enough to support the creation of additional episodes
# Million dollar social funded start-up
Send me more money baby! Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.
I had a very short conversation with him several years ago during his 1st fund raiser in which I mildly questioned a few things but was told it was Okay because his Star Trek was non canon. I dropped it right there and didn't bother to respond figuring that someone greater than I would set him straight.
When our production company needs something built, the Exec is out with a saw, hammer and nails while others are sewing, painting or whatever, It's a club of sorts and I wish I was a couple thousands of miles closer so I could help out more.
What Alex created doesn't even resemble any of the Fan film studio production I follow and it's always bothered me any time I've seen fan films and Alex's created production company lumped into a single sentence. Now Friday comes along and Alex is going to speak on behalf of Fan Films. I'm sure this has bothered many true fan films because who ends up getting regulated for what he has done? I think even Abrams and Lin have referred to Axanar as a fan film. I can help but wonder who gave them that idea!
I've always thought of it more along the lines of
# Fan Film production:
A Club of like minded fans that produce film content with resources that mostly come from within the club.
# Fan Supported production
An existing studio with fan base membership funding large enough to support the creation of additional episodes
# Million dollar social funded start-up
Send me more money baby! Daddy needs a new pair of shoes.
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