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TV&M's Official Post-Craig 007 Watch Thread

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It's not 100% confirmed, but it certainly looks as though Craig is out, and will surely take Waltz with him, as the latter has said he'd only return if the former does. Deadline also says that 5'7" Tintin actor Jamie Bell has had discussions with 007 producer Barbara Broccoli. So, let the post-Craig era speculation begin!

Myself, I stand by what I wrote over a year ago:

Fleming was heavily inspired by WWII for his hero's derring-do. Maybe the next series after Craig should reintroduce the character as a commando in his 20s at the height of the war, and have the first installment be a cross between a traditional Bond movie and a classic war caper like The Dam Busters, something requiring his upper-class suavity in addition to traditional soldiering grit. Said reboot could then end with the war ending, and Bond being recruited into MI6.

Because the more I think on it, the weirder Casino Royale's introduction of Bond as a late-30s rookie gets. What was he doing prior to scoring his two kills? He was a Commander in the Royal Navy... but never killed anyone? Or did military kills not count?
Bring on the period Bond, I say! :bolian:
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If Spectre is the only time they get to use Christoph Waltz as Blofield...what a waste! Hopefully, a few more boxes of money convinces Craig to come back and end his run on a high note.

Then again, with the exception of Dalton, it's sort of a tradition for each Bond actor to end their run on a sour note. Diamonds are Forever is silly nonsense, A View to a Kill is sillier nonsense, and Die Another Day is even sillier nonsense. Spectre might be the best film of the bunch...and it's a pretty middling entry in the James Bond canon.

If they do reboot again, a period James Bond would be a nice change of pace, although the fact that The Man From U.N.C.L.E. didn't catch fire at the box office makes me wonder if they'd take such a risk with the formula. It's obvious they'd never upset the formula by casting someone other than a white man in the role.
 
Hopefully, a few more boxes of money convinces Craig to come back and end his run on a high note.
I hope he does whatever makes him happy. The Bond franchise is actually a pretty rubbish one, and he certainly doesn't owe it or its fans anything more. And if I were married to Rachel Weisz, I could totally see myself wanting to spend a lot more time at home. ;)

If they do reboot again, a period James Bond would be a nice change of pace, although the fact that The Man From U.N.C.L.E. didn't catch fire at the box office makes me wonder if they'd take such a risk with the formula.
A fair concern. But, counterpoint: JAMES BOND VS. NAZIS!!!

(And yes, I know the Man From U.N.C.L.E. movie had Nazi-tied sympathizers. Not the same. :p)
 
Admitting to being under the influence of the infamous "Day Drinking", I suggest Chris Pine?

His best-known Character already has the correct first name...



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It's not 100% confirmed, but it certainly looks as though Craig is out, and will surely take Waltz with him, as the latter has said he'd only return if the former does. Deadline also says that 5'7" Tintin actor Jamie Bell has had discussions with 007 producer Barbara Broccoli. So, let the post-Craig era speculation begin!

Myself, I stand by what I wrote over a year ago:

Fleming was heavily inspired by WWII for his hero's derring-do. Maybe the next series after Craig should reintroduce the character as a commando in his 20s at the height of the war, and have the first installment be a cross between a traditional Bond movie and a classic war caper like The Dam Busters, something requiring his upper-class suavity in addition to traditional soldiering grit. Said reboot could then end with the war ending, and Bond being recruited into MI6.

Because the more I think on it, the weirder Casino Royale's introduction of Bond as a late-30s rookie gets. What was he doing prior to scoring his two kills? He was a Commander in the Royal Navy... but never killed anyone? Or did military kills not count?
Bring on the period Bond, I say! :bolian:
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I think there's a world of difference between killing in self defence and/or during battle, and being dispatched with an 8x10 photo of someone and being told to coldly murder them. Plus I imagine it's not always easy to know if you've killed someone in the heat of battle. Maybe you only wounded them, maybe they actually died from someone else's bullet etc.. You can make an argument that its only semantics but there is a difference between assassin and solider, certainly a world of difference in how you reconcile or compartmentalise being that person.

Plus you have to consider how much combat a Royal Naval officer might have actually seen prior to Casino Royale. He wasn't a squaddie, wasn't a pair of boots on the ground unless he was SBS (which would make a lot of sense) but even then oft times special forces these days isn't so much about firefights as illuminating targets for smart bombs, so even if he was SBS he might have caused people to die rather than killing them himself.

The idea of period Bond does appeal, and starting with him in his twenties would potentially give a lot of scope for the franchise to tell a variety of stories moving forward from the 1940s to the 50s and 60s. But...

First off they've just done the rookie Bond, just spent several films showing his evolution from new 007 agent to grizzled veteran, shown how the death of Vesper screwed him up, introduced a new M and reintroduced Q and Moneypenny, so going back and telling that story again is going to seem repetitious (but then again repetition as well as evolution is one of the ways the franchise has lasted this long).

Secondly as has been indicated, a period setting might put people off. I loved the Man from UNCLE (it was certainly more fun and less bloated than Spectre) but it didn't do well. Of course then you have things like X-Men First Class and Captain America the First Avenger that prove period can sell.

Frankly I don't think they'd have the balls to do it. There's too much money tied up in the franchise for them to try something that radical. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but I doubt it.

If Craig has left I will be sad to see him go, because he has been a fantastic Bond (even if he's a grumpy sod) but it is a chance to strip down the franchise. I wrote a blog on what I'd like to see from the next Bond film if anyone's interested

Irrespective of who the next Bond is I'd lay money that that person will be 007 from the start, maybe a younger agent but one who's been a 00 for a while, and there'll be no callbacks to Craig's era (other than Finnes, Harris, Whishaw and maybe Kinnear). So I also expect it to be set in the present day. The only thing I'm fuzzy on is whether they'll stick with the grittiness or whether they'll lighten things a tad. Given Kingsman was hands down the best spy film of 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if they tack slightly towards a more Brosnan/Moore interpretation.

As for who the next Bond will be I think people can rule out Elba or anyone else who's already in their mid forties or even older. Yes Moore was that age but the rigours of the franchise are tougher now, people are less accepting of an old man as a super spy, plus now they seem to have segued into a three yearly pattern of films an actor will age real fast, relatively speaking. I doubt they'll go with Hiddleston because I doubt he'd tie himself down to the role, he's very much in demand and whilst I like him a lot, I can't see him as Bond, he's too posh. By contrast I think Tom Hardy's too rough, plus he's again well in demand and has a Mad Max franchise now.
Jamie Bell is a curious one, and I can see it to an extent, but he still looks too young (same with Taron Egerton and John Boyega). Yes Connery was 32 in Dr No and Lazenby only 29, but I think men just looked older younger back then! :lol:

Henry Cavill would be good, but you would really be venturing into Brosnan/Moore territory, though I have to say that might not be a bad thing. To paraphrase Harry Hart, remember when spy films were fun?

My top three picks would be Michael Fassbender (who's absolutely perfect so long as he keeps his accent consistent!) Aiden Turner (who has that whole Timothy Dalton ice cold killer/matinee idol thing going on) and my leftfield choice is Cillian Murphy.

I'm kinda hoping whoever it is is an unknown who doesn't bring any baggage though, although given how much is tied up in the franchise what I said earlier holds true, they might not have the bottle to do that these days.
 
Yes. I don't think there's another hero in all of modern fiction (even Bats) in less need of an origin story.

I saw both Bell and Hiddelston mentioned on my FB feed this morning. I think either would be a hugely uninspired casting. That's not to say they aren't both great actors, I'd just like to really dig deep this time.

Thought I would admit I would like them to see them return to suave, sophisticated, pretty-boy Bond. I tired of the douche bag, macho Bond long ago.
 
Secondly as has been indicated, a period setting might put people off. [...] Frankly I don't think they'd have the balls to do it. There's too much money tied up in the franchise for them to try something that radical. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but I doubt it.
It'll be interesting to see just how much the franchise is worth without Craig. Quantum of Solace made 586m worldwide, down a tad from Casino Royale's 599m. Then, with audiences totally on board with Craig, the franchise's 50th anniversary, and stellar (though mostly undeserved, IMHO) reviews, Skyfall jumped - as in doubled - to 1,108m. Spectre then took a 20% dive to 880m - still a massive success, no question, but it was largely sold on Craig and the Skyfall brand, with Sam Mendes back.

Hiddleston and Bell both sound a lot like efforts to continue in the Craig mold, and Mendes' prioritization of eye-popping Instagram-y visuals can certainly be easily replicated. Still, how eager global audiences will be for a non-Craig Craig-like Bond is an open question. (For the record, Hiddleston is 6'2", vice the 5'7" Bell.) I don't blame the suits for desperately wanting Craig back, but I don't blame him for wanting out, either; I'm sure he's made more than enough from it all.
 
It'll be interesting to see just how much the franchise is worth without Craig. Quantum of Solace made 586m worldwide, down a tad from Casino Royale's 599m. Then, with audiences totally on board with Craig, the franchise's 50th anniversary, and stellar (though mostly undeserved, IMHO) reviews, Skyfall jumped - as in doubled - to 1,108m. Spectre then took a 20% dive to 880m - still a massive success, no question, but it was largely sold on Craig and the Skyfall brand, with Sam Mendes back.

Hiddleston and Bell both sound a lot like efforts to continue in the Craig mold, and Mendes' prioritization of eye-popping Instagram-y visuals can certainly be easily replicated. Still, how eager global audiences will be for a non-Craig Craig-like Bond is an open question. (For the record, Hiddleston is 6'2", vice the 5'7" Bell.) I don't blame the suits for desperately wanting Craig back, but I don't blame him for wanting out, either; I'm sure he's made more than enough from it all.

I think audiences will be just fine with a non Craig Bond, the numbers might drop, or they might stay constant, obviously Craig has drawn a lot of people to the franchise, but I wonder if there hasn't been an upsurge in blockbuster box office generally? Plus the producers have been ruthless before. whatever people think about it, the fact is Die Another Day made a shit load of money, and they still dropped Brosnan like a hot stone. I think they learned their lesson from being desperate not to lose Moore which made them keep him in the role far too long.As for DC, you know if wouldn't bloody surprise me if all of a sudden he didn't compromise and sign up for one more film--as far as we know he's only turned down a 2 film deal. For a man who detests the role so much he keeps coming back...

John Boyega? Chiwetel Ejiofor?

Ejiofor I can see in the role. Boyega needs to be in the running for the Bond after next.
 
Daniel Craig never "detested" playing Bond, did he? I always thought he genuinely enjoyed the part.
You'll want to Google that, and report back to us once you do. ;)

hasn't been an upsurge in blockbuster box office generally?
Yes, China dramatically upped the number of foreign movies it permitted for release a few years ago, and they're building theaters like crazy, which is the main reason mega-blockbusters' worldwide takes have increased by fifty percent or so in under a decade.

Which, given Chinese media's iffy relationship with black people, makes the prospect of a black Bond an unwise proposition from the pure financial standpoint. Unfortunate, yes, but probably true nonetheless. Whether it's the producers' responsibility to challenge that apparent bias by casting a black Bond is something reasonable people can differ on, I think, given that this particular character has always been so associated with Anglo whiteness. Myself, I don't really give a crap about present-day Bond, so I have no opinion there. (My preferred WW2 Bond would obviously be white for historical context.)
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Daniel Craig never "detested" playing Bond, did he? I always thought he genuinely enjoyed the part.

From what I've seen and read, I got the impression that he was "yanking the chain" of the journalists given how mind numbingly boring press junkets can be for the actors involved and given Craig's seemlingly dark sense of humour that can be lost on some individuals.
 
You'll want to Google that, and report back to us once you do. ;)

Yes, China dramatically upped the number of foreign movies it permitted for release a few years ago, and they're building theaters like crazy, which is the main reason mega-blockbusters' worldwide takes have increased by fifty percent or so in under a decade.

Which, given Chinese media's iffy relationship with black people, makes the prospect of a black Bond an unwise proposition from the pure financial standpoint. Unfortunate, yes, but probably true nonetheless. Whether it's the producers' responsibility to challenge that apparent bias by casting a black Bond is something reasonable people can differ on, I think, given that this particular character has always been so associated with Anglo whiteness. Myself, I don't really give a crap about present-day Bond, so I have no opinion there. (My preferred WW2 Bond would obviously be white for historical context.)
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Yeah I saw that advert and it's really horrible, I recall as well that The Force Awakens poster for China minimised the image of Finn. Then again TFA was still a huge success in spite of having a black lead so maybe if the film is big enough...I don't know. I think the best man for the job should get the gig next, if Craig has hung up his PPK, and if that man is black (or South Asian, much like with Dr Who people rarely suggest that I don't know why) I have no problem with that. I'm a huge fan of Idris Elba (and have been since I first saw him in Ultraviolet back in the 90s. In superbly cast show he was the best of a great bunch) but I can't quite see him as 007, and besides I do think his age would count against him. After Brosnan left I do wonder if they gave serious thought to Colin Salmon? I thought he'd have made a good Bond.

I would agree, 21st Century Bond can theoretically be anyone, but any kind of period Bond would need to be a white guy.

From what I've seen and read, I got the impression that he was "yanking the chain" of the journalists given how mind numbingly boring press junkets can be for the actors involved and given Craig's seemlingly dark sense of humour that can be lost on some individuals.

I've heard that argument before. The trouble is you never see a flipside of that attitude. Yes I've seen him be more positive about the roles at times, and he has been prepared to take the piss out of himself at the Olympics and several red nose day/chuldren in need gags, but he always seems to have had a disdain for it, right from the start.Maybe the whole blond not Bond malarkey had something to do with that but given he's toppled Connery for a lot of people as best Bond you'd think that, plus the wheelbarrows full of cash, would soften that somewhat.

Maybe it's just me, I just have a slight wariness for any bloke my age who wouldn't be just a little bit excited at being James Bond.

If he has left I do wonder what he'll do next? He has so much money he really doesn't need to work again, and I do find it curious that he didn't do anything between Skyfall and Spectre (actually he did some theatre in 2013 but no film or TV work) given there was quite a gap between the two. Has Bond burned him out as an actor or was acting just a means to and end?
 
I recall as well that The Force Awakens poster for China minimised the image of Finn. Then again TFA was still a huge success in spite of having a black lead
Not in China it wasn't; it got beat by Rogue Nation. Which is likely more due to the fact that Chinese audiences just don't have a history with the Star Wars franchise, but either way, TFA is not fundamentally about the sexual magnetism of a black guy. Could a black Bond movie still turn a global profit? Yes, absolutely; and the people who own Bond are certainly filthy rich already. But the point stands: a black Bond almost certainly means a smaller global take. Which is not to say they shouldn't pick the best guy around, regardless of ethnicity.

if that man is black (or South Asian, much like with Dr Who people rarely suggest that I don't know why) I have no problem with that.
Good ol' Yankee narcissism, surely. African American is our most historically significant ethnic minority, so isn't it time the Brits chose a black Bond? Wait, they have significantly more Asian British than black British? Who knew, or cares? (In fairness, I guess it's true Asian British actors in the right age bracket are less known over here. But hey, Dev Patel's 26, and could probably be signed for a few outings...)

Maybe it's just me, I just have a slight wariness for any bloke my age who wouldn't be just a little bit excited at being James Bond.
The guy's been Bond for a decade, making him far richer than the character himself ever was, and is married to one of the world's most beautiful women for real; why would he want to continue? Especially given that in the movies, actual acting is a tiny part of the role; most of it is likely training and publicity, with tremendous pressure to stay on-message at all time. Even in the last two movies how many scenes of dramatic acting did he get? He was asked to frown a few times, and slyly grin once or twice. Not exactly a meaty part.

If he has left I do wonder what he'll do next?
He's already lining up several gigs of actual acting.
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Daniel Craig never "detested" playing Bond, did he? I always thought he genuinely enjoyed the part.

He's never denied enjoying playing the part, but he has been fairly vocal about being unhappy with the troubled productions of his movies. He and Forster were rewriting Quantum of Solace on the set because they started shooting with a first draft and Forster was completely in over his head, and it seemed like absolutely nobody was happy with Spectre, according to the Sony leak, considering they wrote the third act on the fly and pretty much everyone from the studio heads on down disliked the script.
 
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