Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[Trekkin]

Yes, this is one of those "fan truths" which may be at variance with actual fact. There were three big action sequences (dune buggy chase, Picard escaping the Romulan ship in a mini-fighter, the big battle at the end) but NEM was actually quite a talky movie. Lots of serious discussion about fulfilling one's potential, aspiring to be better, the hand that fate deals us, etc. I like NEM.

Last time I watched NEM, I'd been out earlier, was still a bit tipsy, and happened to catch it when channel-hopping at midnight.

Said tipsiness and sleep-deprivation may have made me bellow "WHY!?" at the television screen, after Picard decided to call a 10-minute meeting for technobabbling...whilst the characters are being chased by the Big Bad's Super-Powerful Ship of Death.

Technobabble that just recapped exactly what we saw in the first five minutes of the freaking movie, natch. It's like somone involved in NEM heard the jokes about TNG being composed purely of technobabble, speeches and staff meetings, then decided to take that as a challenge.

 

[eyeresist]

Last time I watched NEM, I'd been out earlier, was still a bit tipsy, and happened to catch it when channel-hopping at midnight.

Said tipsiness and sleep-deprivation may have made me bellow "WHY!?" at the television screen, after Picard decided to call a 10-minute meeting for technobabbling...whilst the characters are being chased by the Big Bad's Super-Powerful Ship of Death.

Technobabble that just recapped exactly what we saw in the first five minutes of the freaking movie, natch.

I think you are misremembering the movie. It wasn't ten minutes, and it didn't recap the beginning of the movie.
I assume this is the scene you mean:

[Enterprise-E observation lounge]

LAFORGE: It's called a cascading biogenic pulse. The unique properties of thalaron radiation allow the energy beam to expand almost without limit. Depending on the radiant intensity it could encompass a ship, ...or a planet.
PICARD: He could only have built a weapon of such scope for one reason. He's going after Earth.
TROI: How can you be certain?
PICARD: I know how he thinks.
RIKER: Destroy humanity. You cripple the Federation.
PICARD: The Romulans invade...
RIKER: No way of penetrating his cloak?
LAFORGE: No.
RIKER: So he could pass within ten metres of every ship in Starfleet and they'd never know.
CRUSHER: We do have one advantage though. He needs your blood to live. He might come after you first.
PICARD: I'm counting on it. We've been ordered to head to sector ten forty-five. Our fleet has diverted to meet us there.
RIKER: Strength in numbers?
PICARD: At least that's what we hope. ...He must not be allowed to use that weapon. All other concerns are secondary. ...You understand me?
RIKER: Yes sir.
PICARD: All hands. Battle stations!

http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie10.html

 

[Trekkin]

We already knew what Shinzon was going to try and destroy Earth and the Feds (he tells Picard), we knew how (super ship with lotsa weapons), and we knew what the weapon could do (coz we saw it in action).

The only new info is Picard oh-so helpfully informing us that, by running back to the rest of the fleet, he's hoping greater firepower could help beat the Schmiter. Which...we kind of already knew. Did they think that if they didn't explicitly state it, than the audience wouldn't understand why our outgunned characters might try and surround themselves with more heavily-armed spaceships?

But I admit, 10 min may be an exaggeration. For some reason, I was thinking the conversation about the Mutara Nebula was in that same scene.

 

[photon70]

the 3 heads shot reminded my of the cover of The Lost Years

also that shot of the Ent at warp was very Interstellar looking

Apologies for the late response. 30-odd pages of posts in less than a week means lots to catch up on.

I had the exact same thought when I saw that shoot from the 2nd trailer.

I think JL understands iconic imagery and whether that scene was on purpose or accidental, I'm sure many fans will identify with the triumvirate standing side by side.

 

[eyeresist]

We already knew what Shinzon was going to try and destroy Earth and the Feds (he tells Picard)

He doesn't tell Picard.

and we knew what the weapon could do (coz we saw it in action).

Nope. We never see the weapon in action.

The only new info is Picard oh-so helpfully informing us that, by running back to the rest of the fleet, he's hoping greater firepower could help beat the Schmiter. Which...we kind of already knew.

No, we don't know they're rendezvousing with the fleet until that scene.

Best not to make accusations based on vague memories which have proven to be unreliable.

 

[RAMA]

He doesn't tell Picard.

Nope. We never see the weapon in action.

No, we don't know they're rendezvousing with the fleet until that scene.

Best not to make accusations based on vague memories which have proven to be unreliable.

I think the tipsiness had a lot to do with the mis-remembering.

 

[RAMA]

Eh...what have you been watching? The SFX have been better and more elaborate in every movie so far. The scale is even bigger for Beyond.

RAMA

The new trailer is pretty good, but it seems the visual effects haven't improved much since 2009. It still looks quite CGI and there's no real "wow" factor. What bothers me in STID and the Beyond trailer is the overexposure of buildings/objects and the overuse of bloom, depth of field and motion blur. I just want sharp detailed models with natural lighting and colors, that's all.

In fact, I think Enterprise looked the best in 2009:
http://www.clickonline.com/images/metadata/2014/181/large/fihppx6dma2ut9zpy2jxpdfq1lp.jpg-large.jpg

Shots from STID and Beyond:
http://scifiempire.net/wordpress/wp...The-Enterprise-in-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness.png
http://mymoviewallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Star-Trek-Beyond-Movie-Wallpaper-09.jpg

Early on in the filming of Beyond we found out the budget was upwards of $190 million, so they never lowered the budget as was reported. What's more, the distribution deal with China also covered part of the cost. Which is good for Paramount.

RAMA

http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...t-star-trek-ninja-turtles-20160417-story.html

I like the new crisp look of the special effects.

This of course brings up the question, just exactly what is the current budget?

It was (I believe) $150m but was that before the cast got their much publicised pay rise?

Given the scope of the movie that we've just seen in the 2nd trailer, can it still be made for $150m?

Surely it'll be around $170m by now?

(Not counting rebates from Canada & British Columbia of course).

If they spent say $40m (??) on sets, on location filming and local cast/crew; they'd get about $20m back so that does kinda bring the actual expenditure back to $150m!

 

[Kpnuts]

Anyone in the UK know when we'll be able to book tickets?

 

[Trekkin]

He doesn't tell Picard.

PICARD: If your issues are with me then deal with me. This has nothing to do with my ship. Nothing to do with the Federation.
SHINZON: Oh, but it does. We will no longer bow before anyone as slaves. Not the Romulans and not your mighty Federation. We ...are a race bred for war. And conquest.
PICARD: Are you ready to plunge the entire Quadrant into war to satisfy your own personal demons?
SHINZON: It amazes me how little you know yourself.

And we know they're going to Earth because:

SURAN (on viewscreen): Mine is wearing thin! We supported you because you promised action. And yet you delay.
SHINZON: The Enterprise is immaterial! They won't even make it out of the Neutral Zone, ...and in two days the Federation will be crippled beyond repair. Does that satisfy you?
...
DONATRA: Commander, a moment. Are you truly prepared to have your hands drenched in blood? He's not planning to defeat Earth...

Nope. We never see the weapon in action.

It's a bigger version of the thing we saw at the start. Cut out the technobbable, and we'd still know exactly what the thing does, as soon as we saw it.

Scimitar:


Senate:

No, we don't know they're rendezvousing with the fleet until that scene

.

I said where they were going was obvious even before the scene, not that it was established in dialogue.

And yes, I know I'm becoming that person who's stubbornly derailing the conversation. I'm stopping now.

 

[RAMA]

His point is it doesn't make sense to the plot if the characters don't know. Picard has no idea what happened in the senate. Picard was also not privy to Donatra's conversation with Suran.

PICARD: If your issues are with me then deal with me. This has nothing to do with my ship. Nothing to do with the Federation.
SHINZON: Oh, but it does. We will no longer bow before anyone as slaves. Not the Romulans and not your mighty Federation. We ...are a race bred for war. And conquest.
PICARD: Are you ready to plunge the entire Quadrant into war to satisfy your own personal demons?
SHINZON: It amazes me how little you know yourself.

And we know they're going to Earth because:

SURAN (on viewscreen): Mine is wearing thin! We supported you because you promised action. And yet you delay.
SHINZON: The Enterprise is immaterial! They won't even make it out of the Neutral Zone, ...and in two days the Federation will be crippled beyond repair. Does that satisfy you?
...
DONATRA: Commander, a moment. Are you truly prepared to have your hands drenched in blood? He's not planning to defeat Earth...



It's a bigger version of the thing we saw at the start. Cut out the technobbable, and we'd still know exactly what the thing does, as soon as we saw it.

Scimitar:


Senate:




.

I said where they were going was obvious even before the scene, not that it was established in dialogue.

And yes, I know I'm becoming that person who's stubbornly derailing the conversation. I'm stopping now.

 

[jamestyler]

I said where they were going was obvious even before the scene, not that it was established in dialogue.

With the logic of the post applied to this, or any film, Hollywood would produce 20 minutes of footage where everyone makes correct assumptions and everyone goes home happy.

There's a lot of things to pick Nemesis apart for, and a chunk of that is pointless dialogue and dodgy direction. A massive plot point being right where it should be is not one of them

 

[Khan 2.0]

spock'n'pavel
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZLOYXVEAAKOYd.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjZLOYVUYAA3k2Q.jpg
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/05/more-trek-beyond-character-posters-spock-and-chekov/

 

[Trekkin]

DontanswertheNemesisstuffDontanswertheNemesisstuff...

spock'n'pavel
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/05/more-trek-beyond-character-posters-spock-and-chekov/

Oh thank god. Fluffy haired distraction.

*reads down*

Err...wasn't Spock always Caucasian?

 

[jamestyler]

Err...wasn't Spock always Caucasian?

"I remain irked that this Spock has a caucasian human flesh tone."

Maybe it's because original Spock had a massively noticable green hue.

Spoiler

Nope. Still white.

Myth > Logic.

 

[Trekkin]

Oh, so it's my oxidised blood showing through my semi-translucent skin that makes me Caucasian.




... maybe not.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I find it interesting that the posters don't have the words "Star Trek" anywhere on them. I assume this is to create a broader appeal. Marketing is hoping that people will just see a cool epic space movie instead of a "star trek" movie.

 

[Kor]

I find it interesting that the posters don't have the words "Star Trek" anywhere on them. I assume this is to create a broader appeal. Marketing is hoping that people will just see a cool epic space movie instead of a "star trek" movie.

I dunno... just seeing the word "Beyond" by itself makes me think, "Beyond what, exactly?"

Kor

 

[Romulan_spy]

I dunno... just seeing the word "Beyond" by itself makes me think, "Beyond what, exactly?"

Kor

Maybe that is the point? A one word title makes people more curious about the movie.

 

[JWPlatt]

Maybe that is the point? A one word title makes people more curious about the movie.

I despise coy promotion. Makes me think whoever is doing it is being pretentious for the purpose of hiding schlock, kind of like "Khan? Khan who?"

But I have faith in the movie. Because Pegg. Not because of coy marketing.

 

[jamestyler]

It's not necessarily coy marketing. After 50 years with the Enterprise on the poster it could just be the arrogant "they should know what the deal is here" approach.

Not suggesting it's either, but could go either way.