CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[mos6507]

Sure sounds to me from Alec's statement that he's not planning to sabotage the final settlement the way some here expect. He makes it pretty clear that he'll cut the scale of Axanar back as much as necessary just to be able to have a reasonable shot of finishing it.

That's the million quatloo question, isn't it.

It's really someone like Tommy Kraft who could help Axanar the most, someone who is able to do a lot via virtual sets and green-screening, and someone who doesn't charge the way Tobias does.

 

[OpenMaw]

His ambition and ego were his own worst enemies. He should never have been scaling things thing up to nearly the size it became in the first place, I fear. The damage at this point may be too severe.

 

[Jam3s1701]

Sure sounds to me from Alec's statement that he's not planning to sabotage the final settlement the way some here expect. He makes it pretty clear that he'll cut the scale of Axanar back as much as necessary just to be able to have a reasonable shot of finishing it.

IF! and only IF!! he pull it back to what the thing should have been in the first place and not some mans wet dream it might work out BUT! I can tell you now NO ONE! will move forward in relation to Axanar until these rules drop.

CBS/Para could drag this out for a LONG time in relation to working them out just to spite Axanar for what they have done now if this is the case I can bet! you a lot of money this is not! going to sit well with people like James, Vic, Tom and Tommy (if he wants to carry on with Fanfilms) and there will be a backlash again! over this due to the fact NO ONE ASKED! for these rules bar Mr "ego" Peters and it will HURT! everyone in the end and not just fan films.

 

[jamestyler]

Why? It's his story to tell. It's not unusual to hold back until there is an emotional tipping point. The J J announcement clearly was his. He was told to stop his film, and JJ's announcement makes it look like Alec will get off scot free (if that is what the settlement will be). If production starts up again, they'll need people and Tommy wants those people to know what they're getting into. Perfect time to tell his story. Was it wrong for David Galanter to tell his story last week?

Thats the way I see it. I've not been as vocal on Axanar lately as I've spoken to some of their crew (and I mean spoken - I expected a fight after interaction with Peters, they were VERY pleasant people!) and I can see a division of thoughts in them with this kind of stuff including the ambiguity over money.

Money isn't what they were there for - but from personal experience, it's easily assigned to value - or for those working their balls off for nothing while others get a new carpet, how little you're valued.

And when the accounting is as sketchy as it's been with Axanar so far, there are questions that need to be answered - if not to us, then to the people who gave them that money in good faith. It's the decent thing to do.

I'm a big fan of

"You shouldn't take your frustrations on your previous collaborators … especially those who fly you out and put you up to attend the World Premiere of your work. … I'm extremely disappointed in your posting here … and I think you owe the entire Prelude to Axanar team an apology."

Basically..... "we did stuff for you and that makes us immune to criticism".

Regardless of what happens next with Axanar, this will be what kills them. The people speaking for them from the top are just the wrong kind of people to let speak about anything. Even Terry in his switch to the CBS/Para group... I read that and there was still this "you're all beneath me" vibe.

Tommy Kraft's post, to me, is half his side of the story - half upset that his value to them was nil. Burnett's reply solidified that nil value. I sincerely hope the rest of their loyal force are given the respect they deserve for working for nothing and supporting them - particularly those I've spoken to who were absolutely tremendous ambassadors for the project despite it being known how I feel about it.

 

[Harvey]

This is interesting:




(The complete quoted comments are available at the link, but each continues pretty much as it began.)

These links don't work for me. What else was said?

Edit: never mind, I see it now.

 

[Firebird]

Sure sounds to me from Alec's statement that he's not planning to sabotage the final settlement the way some here expect. He makes it pretty clear that he'll cut the scale of Axanar back as much as necessary just to be able to have a reasonable shot of finishing it.

Alec sounds like he's got his tail is betwixt his legs with that statement.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

Yeah. Why wouldn't an official statement be issued publicly from CBS/P?

Folks might be making a fuss prematurely over nothing.

I still don't get what JJ and Lin have to do with this. Even if they went to share their opinion with CBS/P it still isn't their place to make offcial announcements on their behalf. They also don't seem to know or grasp exactly how this all got started.

That's what I've been saying. Also, Golden boy or not, the studio isn't beholden to Abrams. They are responsible to their shareholders.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

#IStoodWithAxanarAndAllIGotWasThisDamnedPatch
no wait......................

 

[mos6507]

#IStoodWithAxanarAndAllIGotWasThisDamnedPatch
no wait......................

I got a bag of coffee right before it went off the market. Now I'm wondering how much of a collector's item it might wind up being.

 

[Indysolo]

3. Once those two things are done, we have to get our team together to assess our current situation, determine what can be made (e.g. can we go with a current version of the script or do we need to change it), and take an inventory of what resources we have in-place to get it done.

So now there is a script?

Source

Neil

 

[CaptGrumpy]

I got a bag of coffee right before it went off the market. Now I'm wondering how much of a collector's item it might wind up being.

Hope it's bitter. Illegal stuff and all.

 

[Mudd]

I'm a big fan of

"You shouldn't take your frustrations on your previous collaborators … especially those who fly you out and put you up to attend the World Premiere of your work. … I'm extremely disappointed in your posting here … and I think you owe the entire Prelude to Axanar team an apology."

Alec Peters wouldn't recognize class, tact or adult behavior if it served him with a lawsuit.

Alec sounds like he's got his tail is betwixt his legs with that statement.

Sure. Despite being given the unexpected opportunity to do a little faux victory lap this weekend everyone there knows that the grand plan is hosed by the settlement. This is what all the lashing out was about last week, and why he can't stop it now.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

So now there is a script?

Source

Neil

According to Alec's facebook post (referenced in the MDS response) there has been a locked script for a while

 

[KennyB]

Alec Peters wouldn't recognize class, tact or adult behavior if it served him with a lawsuit. .

Wasn't that RMB? Same thing basically............

 

[Danlav05]

Some questions for the future, I know AP still has their studio with RMB, but:

!. How much donor money do they actually have left? Did Alec put some of it to the legal situation?

2. How much of their talent has jumped ship? I know Tony Todd and sean Tourengaeu have left, but will they struggle attracting the same calibre of talent to fill roles?

3. Does Alec still intend to make the movie? Will he have to pull back stuff to accomodate the budget?

I admit to contributing to the Kickstarter on the back of Prelude - I thought the quality was immense and wanted more - this was of course before it hit the fan. I feel conflicted - if the movie gets released I am curious to see it ( and I want something out of it for my money, of course) but the people behind it have led by their egos. E.g. the Tommy Kraft situation is horrible - the big boys shitting on the little guy. Kraft is one of the biggest talents in fandom, just look at Horizon!

Another thing too is the other high-quality fan films - they were all at huge risk of a huge axe swinging over their heads but now things MAY look slightly better depending what CBS/Paramount's new guidelines for fan films may look like.

 

[Philip Guyott]

I got a bag of coffee right before it went off the market. Now I'm wondering how much of a collector's item it might wind up being.

 

[SeerSGB]

The next shocker for Peters is going to be when the firm that his free lawyer is part of hits him with the bill for ancillary services not covered by the pro-bono terms. Things like copying, courier services, court fees, filing fees, etc, etc..

 

[CaptGrumpy]

The next shocker for Peters is going to be when the firm that his free lawyer is part of hits him with the bill for auxiliary services not covered by the pro-bono terms. Things like copying, courier services, court fees, filing fees, etc, etc..

Let the schadenfreude begin

 

[SeerSGB]

Let the schadenfreude begin

Not a big fan of schadenfreude, still...yeah I'll smirk when it happen. I do think it's going to be an eye opener for a lot of people that thought that his legal defense was more out of a love for Axanar than the fact it was a good chuck of free PR for the firm. A settlement isn't a get out scot-free sort of deal 99% of the time, and then with the ancillary charges, he's still still going to be hit in the pocket book. Even if he scales back, production might not be financially viable.

 

[CaptGrumpy]

Not a big fan of schadenfreude, still...yeah I'll smirk when it happen. I do think it's going to be an eye opener for a lot of people that thought that his legal defense was more out of a love for Axanar than the fact it was a good chuck of free PR for the firm. A settlement isn't a get out scot-free sort of deal 99% of the time, and then with the ancillary charges, he's still still going to be hit in the pocket book. Even if he scales back, production might not be financially viable.

I agree with this. Those who hail a settlement as the vindication of Alec Peters do not know what a settlement is. It's not likely the win they think it is. Legally, CBS/Paramount hold the cards (if the info we have is correct). They are the ones in the driver's seat, as I can see it. As has been pointed out, settlement talks were supposed to start around now, according to Judge Klausner.