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Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)
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Ross specifically says to Black Widow that if they don't decide to sign the Accord that they'll be "retired". If you think that means that means they'll simply forbidden from Avenging than you're not paying attention.
He said "then you retire", pretty much saying its work for the UN or quit. Not work for them or die. Its why Stark pretty much wrote Hawkeye off from signing since he was already out of the superhero gig.
You obviously don't know spook language.
when a spy/government organization says "you retire" or "you will be retired", that means you will be killed (or if possible in MCU cases, have powers removed/neutralized).
First off, not every government agency is a "You only leave feet-first" job. Tons of government employees retire and go into other lines of work. Heck, we have several living, retired ex-presidents, unless you believe they're all impostors. The Avengers may have started within SHIELD, but they aren't spies, they're a peacekeeping NGO. And Ross was never a spy, he was US Army. You don't get killed when you retire from the Army. Ross himself is presumably a retired general, like many secretaries and presidents have been.
Second, I'd say there's a material difference between "you retire," which is something you do, and "you will be retired," which is something that's done to you. The latter pretty much only works as a euphemism, but it doesn't make sense to assume the former has to be one.
Second, I'd say there's a material difference between "you retire," which is something you do, and "you will be retired," which is something that's done to you. The latter pretty much only works as a euphemism, but it doesn't make sense to assume the former has to be one.
If Gerald Ford wasn't an imposter, he should have been....
I was hoping for more of a Civil War tie-in. Oh well.
I thought it was kind of weird when they talked about how Lash was "meant" to save Daisy. Meant to by.... who? Do they believe there's some higher power guiding the creation of Inhumans, rather than genetic randomness? (I know it's been discussed, but the SHIELD members seem to be believe it literally).
And why didn't Lash make a little more effort to eradicate Hive? He seemed to be winning but he walked away without finishing the job...
I thought it was kind of weird when they talked about how Lash was "meant" to save Daisy. Meant to by.... who? Do they believe there's some higher power guiding the creation of Inhumans, rather than genetic randomness? (I know it's been discussed, but the SHIELD members seem to be believe it literally).
And why didn't Lash make a little more effort to eradicate Hive? He seemed to be winning but he walked away without finishing the job...
I thought there was plenty. This episode dealt more with the wider ramifications of the Sokovia Accords to superpowered people as a class than the movie itself did. The movie made it seem that it was strictly about whether the Avengers would be under UN control or not. This expanded it into something more like the comics' Superhuman Registration Act, where all people with powers are required to register whether they're heroes or not.
Not a "higher power," just Kree science and genetic programming. I assume the genetic potentials that proto-Inhumans possess were inherited from the ancestors the Kree experimented on thousands of years ago. The Kree programmed human genes with a bunch of different powers that worked together and balanced each other, and those powers were passed down through the generations. But since the experiment was abandoned and terrigenesis has been piecemeal, we haven't seen all those powers manifesting together and interacting within a single generation as planned.
I took "meant to save Daisy" to mean that Lash's abilities were designed not only to kill Hive, but to kill the Hive parasites inside "swayed" Inhumans and thereby cure them.
More evidence of what I was just saying. His primary instinct was to cure the swayed. After all, remember, Hive's parasites were physically inside Daisy and the other swayed Inhumans. That infection is Hive just as much as the collective parasite mass inside Ward's body is Hive. So there's no difference. Destroying the parasites inside Daisy was eradicating Hive, or at least a part of it.
I agree with this.
Also, one could look at it as the duality of Lash/Andrew. Lash is a killer. Meant to kill Hive. Andrew is a healer. Meant to save Daisy. Even though he'd transformed completely, when the chips were down, Andrew won out.
For lash to be activated, before Hives return, that would mean that whatever "intelligence" is manipulating events, is in the future or can see the future.
Oh?
The Great Intelligence.
Duh.
Oh?
The Great Intelligence.
Duh.
A guiding power might not be far from the truth since the leader of the Kree is this thing. Indeed, Hive may have been modelled after it.
ETA Dammit Guy!
ETA Dammit Guy!
A guiding power might not be far from the truth since the leader of the Kree is this thing. Indeed, Hive may have been modelled after it.
ETA Dammit Guy!
Well, I conflated the Supreme intelligence, and the Great Trash Heap from Fraggle Rock.
I'm hardly perfect.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Alpha_Primitives
Slave labour made from humans at first and then relentlessly cloned.
Although "Cinematically" I'm wondering if this is what the first inhumans looked like 30 thousand years ago, before they started cross breeding with humans? It's possible that this wasn't a happy accident. Inhumans that just do what they're told. It could also mean that exotic power sets were never part of the original Kree Agenda?
That would seem to run against the idea that they were built as living super-weapons. Those things seemed physically strong, but no more than what we've seen of Kree foot soldiers. Less, even.
As for why they turned out like this rather than with super powers: who wants to bet that the real missing ingredient is the Mind Stone? I mean look what it did to the Maximoff twins...
Kree Inhuman Experiments were not restricted to Earth.
Thousand of worlds probably?
There's only one Mind Stone.
The problem with a citizen soldier is Private Ryan's mum.
Disposable slave armies require much less propaganda on the homefront.
Thousand of worlds probably?
There's only one Mind Stone.
The problem with a citizen soldier is Private Ryan's mum.
Disposable slave armies require much less propaganda on the homefront.
Hah. I'd love to see the Supreme Intelligence.
He was posing as Chevy Chase, but I saw right through him.
So, what was the official excuse for why they didn't call in the Avengers to save the world from Hive? It's not like they were unable to contact them.
The closest thing I can think of is them saying let's call in the military, they'll just think we're crazy. (Why didn't they say let's call in the Avengers?!) But if Coulson came back from the dead to tell Iron Man this, wouldn't that make him listen? Hell, Hive could have been the larger external threat to make the team come back together 
Talbot was with Coulson the entire episode, who is a part of the same mechanism as Ross, who was in contact with Iron Man the entire movie.
What Avengers? The only remaining team members who aren't wanted fugitives or half-paralyzed are Iron Man and Vision. And Tony isn't even taking Secretary Ross's calls. At this point, there effectively are no Avengers.
OH! The Dark Avengers that spun out of Reign?
(There's not enough "active" villians to be counterparts who would work as government stooges for Norman Osborn as pretend Avengers.)
(There's not enough "active" villians to be counterparts who would work as government stooges for Norman Osborn as pretend Avengers.)
Looks that way, yes. "Absolution/Ascension" from 9 to 11. So I'll have to record that night's Person of Interest.
