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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

Dear god. Ray actually opened the cell to fight him and let him out? That is the stupidest... I just... man. When that happened I said PLEASE PLEASE let this be a trick. But no. It was for reals. Man.
 
Dear god. Ray actually opened the cell to fight him and let him out? That is the stupidest... I just... man. When that happened I said PLEASE PLEASE let this be a trick. But no. It was for reals. Man.
Nah. he went in the cell. Got his ass kicked by Savage. Then Savage used Ray's hand print to open the cell.
 
^Which is still stupid on several levels. By going into the cell when he had the means to get out on his own, Ray put the means of escape within Savage's reach. He should've at least had someone there on guard. (Speaking of which, why wasn't Gideon monitoring the brig?)
 
^Which is still stupid on several levels. By going into the cell when he had the means to get out on his own, Ray put the means of escape within Savage's reach. He should've at least had someone there on guard. (Speaking of which, why wasn't Gideon monitoring the brig?)
Oh yes, it is stupid. I wasn't saying otherwise. Just that the path of stupidity was different.
 
Did they explain what they did with the babies and the younger teen versions of themselves? Or did i miss an episode?
And Rory Pond ahem Rip Hunter should understand time travel better. And Savage might be a master of time, but he is no LORD of Time.
Also how many more chances does Kendra need before she actually kills Savage?
 
Did they explain what they did with the babies and the younger teen versions of themselves? Or did i miss an episode?
And Rory Pond ahem Rip Hunter should understand time travel better. And Savage might be a master of time, but he is no LORD of Time.
Also how many more chances does Kendra need before she actually kills Savage?
I think they're still at the orphanage where Rip was brought up.
 
But "logically," one needs to ask why it would affect Stein and Jax differently. The only relevant difference between them I can think of, besides age, is that Stein is part of the original pairing while Jax is not. Or perhaps the difference is that Stein already lost a partner. He and Ronnie were merged; what affected one affected the other. When Ronnie died, that may have damaged Stein in some way.

Hm. If that's the way it works, shouldn't Jax still be in danger? Stein's inevitable death could just easily destabilize him in the way Ronnie's death destabilized Stein.
 
Why did Savage try to escape, anyway?! He obviously knew he had nothing to fear from the Time Masters.

Maybe he was bored?! He might just be the type to just cause heavy fighting on a Time Ship simply to pass the time.
 
Hm. If that's the way it works, shouldn't Jax still be in danger? Stein's inevitable death could just easily destabilize him in the way Ronnie's death destabilized Stein.

That possibility did occur to me, but it's hard to say. We know so little about just why Stein's life was in danger. Maybe Stein was damaged by the violence of Ronnie's death (assuming for the sake of argument that he did die). Maybe Jax would be "insulated" from the damage of Stein's death if it occurred in a different time. Or, yes, maybe Jax would die too and Stein just didn't think it through. There are too many uncertainties to assume anything for sure. The writers could probably concoct a rationale for whatever outcome they choose.


Why did Savage try to escape, anyway?! He obviously knew he had nothing to fear from the Time Masters.

Arrogance? He'd rather destroy his enemies personally than rely on his allies to do it.
 
Why did Savage try to escape, anyway?! He obviously knew he had nothing to fear from the Time Masters.

Maybe he was bored?! He might just be the type to just cause heavy fighting on a Time Ship simply to pass the time.
But the team didn't know that at the time.
Keeping that secret would be the advantage if the attempt succeeds.
 
Jax is going to have a tough time in 2016. Nobody is going to remember him.

I know it's optimistic to expect any coherence from this show's temporal logic, but I think the idea is that the timeline where they were abducted in the past hasn't fully "set" yet, so maybe the change hasn't propagated forward to 2016 yet. Which is why the folks over on Arrow still remember Sarah's death and resurrection.
 
1. Just because the Arrow/Flash timeline is has been overlain by the legends cocking up continuously, before it was intruded upon and fiddled on by Rip Hunter, it did (used to) exist from big bang to heat death.

(or)

2. Just because we haven't seen all these kids returned to early 2016, it doesn't mean that they weren't returned and that they are in the back ground unseen in the current episodes of Flash and Arrow being sneaky.
 
Best part of this week they actually let Mick crush the time masters skull.
Some good character interactions but Ray is just horrible in every scene.
Should be an interesting finale.
 
The cynical part of me wonders if the reveal that the Time Masters have been manipulating the characters from the beginning is the writers' attempt to justify how little sense the stories have made.

Although it wouldn't explain the most nonsensical bit. Why did Snart have to hold the lever in place? He has an ice gun. He could've just frozen it in place.
 
Although it wouldn't explain the most nonsensical bit. Why did Snart have to hold the lever in place? He has an ice gun. He could've just frozen it in place.

I was thinking the same thing! I do not expect much when it comes to the logic of time travel on this show. But that was such a simple solution. How could the writers not see that? I could not help but think this is the type of lousy writing my Dad would have noticed. If he had not died 2 years ago he would have watched this show. He was the not the type of person who deeply thought about tv. certainly not science. But a obvious mistake like this would have bugged him.
 
Of course we will. He was at the center of the explosion blah blah blah survived but lost in time blah blah blah, rescued by surprise guest in last episode blah blah.
 
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