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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Even though Alec Peters let slip earlier today on Facebook about the studio rental, another post by him in the same thread added that the (coming shortly) formal announcement about the studio would also include something about the future of the 'Axanar' production.

I've updated the AxaMonitor article about the studio with this new information.

Yes it will become the new Mecca of Cash Markman's return to Porn production and be renamed AXXXanar Stud-ios for the duration. :angel::hugegrin::whistle:;)
 
Yes it will become the new Mecca of Cash Markman's return to Porn production and be renamed AXXXanar Stud-ios for the duration. :angel::hugegrin::whistle:;)
Did someone say "Cash"?

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Even though Alec Peters let slip earlier today on Facebook about the studio rental, another post by him in the same thread added that the (coming shortly) formal announcement about the studio would also include something about the future of the 'Axanar' production.

I've updated the AxaMonitor article about the studio with this new information.

if they are renting the studio, and they can't get out of discovery, perhaps they feel its time to announce staff cutbacks (if any, no info but it seems likely) for the duration.
 
Star Trek author Dave Galanter (who also penned an episode of "Star Trek: New Voyages") shares his whole story with "Star Trek: Axanar" for the first time ...

http://1701news.com/node/1177/trek-author-chronicles-his-days-axanar.html
Not that we need it, but further proof that Alec Peters is a scumbag and a fraud.

Only Lord Alec, the cockroach that he is, would think he could get away with trying to get a professional writer try to hide behind a pseudonym as a means violate a contract. I mean, fucking seriously Alec?

We all know Peters doesn't place any value on professional consideration, but for fuck's sake. What the hell kind of "professional" does he expect people believe he is?

Oh, that's right! He's a professional goddamn loudmouthed moron.

God bless Dave Galanter. Hopefully by going to Loeb & Loeb he has avoided being named a Doe and will at last be free of this wrangling idiocy.
I thought I was past being surprised by Alec's slimy backroom deals trying to manipulate people for a fast illegally ill-gotten dollar but I was wrong. Only a complete douche would try to persuade a person to compromise their morals and professional contractual obligations.
 
I thought I was past being surprised by Alec's slimy backroom deals trying to manipulate people for a fast illegally ill-gotten dollar but I was wrong. Only a complete douche would try to persuade a person to compromise their morals and professional contractual obligations.
This sounds like a discussion about politicians, and they are generally good at what they do. We don't like fat cats because we don't do the things they are willing to do to have more money, toys, and women (or men) than us. Sour grapes, sort of. We call it self-respect, and they find that hilarious.
 
This sounds like a discussion about politicians, and they are generally good at what they do. We don't like fat cats because we don't do the things they are willing to do to have more money, toys, and women (or men) than us. Sour grapes, sort of. We call it self-respect, and they find that hilarious.
And that sounds rather condescending, or at least indifferent, toward the very notion of ethics.
 
Star Trek author Dave Galanter (who also penned an episode of "Star Trek: New Voyages") shares his whole story with "Star Trek: Axanar" for the first time ...

http://1701news.com/node/1177/trek-author-chronicles-his-days-axanar.html
I'm curious as to how Galanter was able to write for New Voyages and do early work on Axanar when in his own words, ""I signed a contract with CBS that says, 'You write Star Trek for us, and any thoughts you have on Star Trek belong to this contract and not you.'" I'm assuming maybe Simon & Schuster have a bit of a "look the other way so long as there's no profit" stance?
 
I'm curious as to how Galanter was able to write for New Voyages and do early work on Axanar when in his own words, ""I signed a contract with CBS that says, 'You write Star Trek for us, and any thoughts you have on Star Trek belong to this contract and not you.'" I'm assuming maybe Simon & Schuster have a bit of a "look the other way so long as there's no profit" stance?
Almost everyone has a "look the otherway" policy. The problem is Alec started screaming "Look at Me!"
 
Wrt/ the mailing list and shipments... they say each person can login and look in their donor store to see what they are due. If that is at all true, then extracting a list meeting whatever limits you want to apply should be possible at any moment.

I noted upstream something to the effect that "if we shipped twice the donor would have to pay shipping twice". So here's a clue, maybe. They didn't say, "if we shipped twice Axanar Productions would have to pay the shipping the first time as a courtesy for the delay". Artificial dilemma.

One can check to see what they are due if they made sure the information was correct from the older drives. It sorts by e-mail address for one's account if I recall, and if your e-mail changed or you used different ones or something for the three different fundraisers, that would be a reason to update on Ares Digital. Just to be sure, if nothing else. And to get what you are due.
 
Almost everyone has a "look the otherway" policy. The problem is Alec started screaming "Look at Me!"
I seem to recall Mr. Galanter saying he had offered nothing but advice about the Axanar script that he might give to anyone who asked for help with no money changing hands and no actual writing for Axanar. If I'm wrong I certainly hope Mr. Galanter or anyone with enough get up and go will set me straight.
 
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This sounds like a discussion about politicians, and they are generally good at what they do. We don't like fat cats because we don't do the things they are willing to do to have more money, toys, and women (or men) than us. Sour grapes, sort of. We call it self-respect, and they find that hilarious.
I never said what your insinuating with your straw man argument, so "sounds like" and "sour grapes" are baseless suppositions.
 
Oh, dear. And they just put in new carpets too. :biggrin:

Someone's gonna be touching their new toys before they do, no matter what. Must be disappointing. Next time, maybe not buy them with someone else's credit card. Too extreme to expect another consequence.

I thought I was past being surprised by Alec's slimy backroom deals trying to manipulate people for a fast illegally ill-gotten dollar but I was wrong. Only a complete douche would try to persuade a person to compromise their morals and professional contractual obligations.

The behavior on the Trekzone interview, captured on film, seemed to have a bigger impression on people commenting at Trekmovie than any of the content. Probably it will be the same with this.

And where there's smoke... what about involving third party vendors like the coffee maker, game parts maker, etc? What was suggested to them?

Oo, oo, I know where to look :beer:. I posted upstream that in an Axanar podcast,

1. Alec said they approached CBS for licensing the game pieces and were turned down because Axanar is a fan film (http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/page-261#post-11435791, backreferencing http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/page-260#post-11435468 link to the podcast (relevant transcript also in this thread)),

2. a comment in a public forum from the game piece manufacturer to a potential customer, relating their view (got from somewhere) that they (the game piece makers) were not accountable to [implied from question] CBS licensing terms so long as the pieces were sold to Axanar as a vendor and Axanar only offers them as fundraising perks (http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/cbs-paramount-sues-to-stop-axanar.278077/page-490#post-11484531)

[ sounds faulty.. if not vicarious copyright infringement (in collusion), wouldn't the OEM at least be liable for creating counterfeit items under Trademark law?]

If "vendors don't have to abide by copyright" is incorrect, and if this idea came from Axanar [hint, how did the "so long as its sold as a donor perk" concept get into the OEM's head, was it as a suggestion Axanar had an implied license as a "nonprofit" (as stated in their fundraising and cited in the email exchange by the questioner)], then paired with "use a pseudonym" book writing suggestion, one has a potential pattern of questionable copyright guidance given to third parties from Axanar, not just an isolated anecdote.

...and to think most of a year of discovery hasn't even started... :eek:

Almost everyone has a "look the otherway" policy. The problem is Alec started screaming "Look at Me!"

Nominate for FAQ at top of thread. The whole FAQ.

One can check to see what they are due if they made sure the information was correct from the older drives. It sorts by e-mail address for one's account if I recall, and if your e-mail changed or you used different ones or something for the three different fundraisers, that would be a reason to update on Ares Digital. Just to be sure, if nothing else. And to get what you are due.

Most people probably put in very similar street addresses and could (through a programmed script) be paired up and sent an email to every email address asking "Help us manage fulfillment coordination across multiple donations, please confirm these emails pair up by responding once, here's a clickthrough button (in the email) that reports the fact back to the website (yes button, no button)". There, that took me about 2 seconds to devise and it would probably reduce their problem records by at least 80% if backed up with a little Facebook PR.

Overtime 5 seconds: Add a button set on the account page they land on, "Send me my patch now" and "I Can Wait", with a note saying deferrals could help the project but are strictly optional and can be changed anytime at this screen in your profile, and create a split order if they say go ahead. Take them to this if they clicked the 'yes' email button. If they clicked no in the email, take them to a page where they can indicate which donations belong to them and which look unfamiliar, and fill in a short survey about where they donated, and write a note to help sort out their records. Only allow this for street address pairs which were essentially the same to start with. Queue for fulfillment coordinator to resolve.
 
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I never said what your insinuating with your straw man argument, so "sounds like" and "sour grapes" are baseless suppositions.

I want to share that for my part I only read the response to your post as an amplification to your post, not an insinuation that your attitude is sour grapes. The sour grapes part to me was just how it feels to see people violate one's standards, for anyone. Not speaking for OP but fwiw.
 
I'm curious as to how Galanter was able to write for New Voyages and do early work on Axanar when in his own words, ""I signed a contract with CBS that says, 'You write Star Trek for us, and any thoughts you have on Star Trek belong to this contract and not you.'" I'm assuming maybe Simon & Schuster have a bit of a "look the other way so long as there's no profit" stance?

It sounds like, from his own description, his work was giving notes, not actually writing. I doubt his contract covers offering an opinion or help to someone else.
 
"Hello and welcome! I understand you're interested in renting our state-of-the-art facility so let me show you around! Here you see our green screen which we're immensely proud of and, what? Oh, that massive pile of wood taking up half the floor-space is actually our state-of, sorry what now? No it can't be moved and nor can all the other crap either so, hey, where are you going.....?"
 
Most people probably put in very similar street addresses and could (through a programmed script) be paired up and sent an email to every email address asking "Help us manage fulfillment coordination across multiple donations, please confirm these emails pair up by responding once, here's a clickthrough button (in the email) that reports the fact back to the website (yes button, no button)". There, that took me about 2 seconds to devise and it would probably reduce their problem records by at least 80% if backed up with a little Facebook PR.

Overtime 5 seconds: Add a button set on the account page they land on, "Send me my patch now" and "I Can Wait", with a note saying deferrals could help the project but are strictly optional and can be changed anytime at this screen in your profile, and create a split order if they say go ahead. Take them to this if they clicked the 'yes' email button. If they clicked no in the email, take them to a page where they can indicate which donations belong to them and which look unfamiliar, and fill in a short survey about where they donated, and write a note to help sort out their records. Only allow this for street address pairs which were essentially the same to start with. Queue for fulfillment coordinator to resolve.

So challenging (cough) for their IT experts creating revolutions in crowdfunding and a company aiming to be a player in next generation content distribution :rolleyes:

If I recall correctly, everyone was sent an e-mail about coordinating the multiple donations. But not everyone actually did anything about it after getting it. (I know I ignored it for at least a month or two because I also knew I wasn't due anything yet) And I know that not everyone uses Facebook. I know two donors that will never touch it and at least one other that wishes they never touched Facebook, and that's just my small circle of known people.

It also could show up easily under junk mail, at which point, well, it is not entirely Axanar's fault the donor didn't get the message. Especially if the only ways to get in contact with the donor is effectively e-mail.

Tiny reminder post cards like what the dentists use to put out can be lost in the mail or overlooked just as easily.

The question would be how many people are still waiting on their perks? Is it as low as 1%? 5%?
 
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