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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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It will be available at the upcoming Propworx auction.

I was going to say..........they could use it if LFIM hasn't auctioned it already..........



Oh, and apparently there is some interesting background on Randazza. Like very jaw-dropping.

I don't care too much about the Klingon aspect of this..........but you piqued my curiosity and I was wondering if this was what you might be referring to??

http://mimesislaw.com/fault-lines/cross-marc-randazza-first-amendment-badass/6859

http://www.crimeandfederalism.com/2...learns-a-hard-lesson-on-loyalty-and-life.html

https://popehat.com/2012/06/26/ill-sue-you-my-pretty-and-your-little-lawyer-too/
 
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Soooooooooooo basically IF Axanar never gets made donors will never get ANY perk? #screwed

No. But the donor has to make an effort to get those perks should the film not be made, otherwise their perks will wait in limbo waiting to be fulfilled because not everything is there. This is more true for international donors than people in North American due to the high shipping costs. Donors in North American would likely have gotten their perks when available, assuming they made sure all their information was correct with Ares Digital, if they hadn't had perks that could have been completed prior to the move to Indigogo.
 
There's a fascinating read on him over at Wikipedia (don't like Wikipedia as a source? No prob - there are plenty of footnoted original sources to take a gander at).

Sheesh..........I'm surprised LFIM didn't go running to this guy first (before W&S)....
 
No. But the donor has to make an effort to get those perks should the film not be made, otherwise their perks will wait in limbo waiting to be fulfilled because not everything is there. This is more true for international donors than people in North American due to the high shipping costs. Donors in North American would likely have gotten their perks when available, assuming they made sure all their information was correct with Ares Digital, if they hadn't had perks that could have been completed prior to the move to Indigogo.

I think you have too much faith in their integrity. I've seen several US based donors complain about not getting their perks. I don't think a donor should have to make extra effort to get what they were promised in any case............but whatever.
 
Looking at the FB group where @DaveGalanter is posting it looks less like fear and more like anger about the suit and he blames Peters for it and not CBS. His first comment in this thread was guarded but clear that he didn't like what Peters was doing and now we know why.

You are correct.

Which isn't to say I didn't have concern at first about being a Doe because who knows. But after some thought I realized my contribution was so minimal as to not matter and I want CBS/P to prevail in their case so if they want to name me, or depose me, or call me to testify I am happy to do whatever makes their case stronger.
 
No. But the donor has to make an effort to get those perks should the film not be made, otherwise their perks will wait in limbo waiting to be fulfilled because not everything is there. This is more true for international donors than people in North American due to the high shipping costs. Donors in North American would likely have gotten their perks when available, assuming they made sure all their information was correct with Ares Digital, if they hadn't had perks that could have been completed prior to the move to Indigogo.
I've conducted three crowdfunding campaigns and my idea of customer service is not that donors should have to make extra efforts to get what I promised them. That responsibility was mine.

While donors' dismay was what incited my examination of the perk situation, the issues are more about Axanar's use of perks to set up an untrammeled revenue stream about which they've been anything but transparent.

Indeed, the expenses associated with the merchandise that is being shipped is being reported as if it were fulfilling Kickstarter rewards when it simply couldn't be once you look at Axanar's own data.

The further implication is that when questioned about how much revenue the Donor Store is generating, and how much Axanar is bringing in from its direct donation efforts, Alec Peters deflected the question.

This extensive commercialization around merchandising is one bright line Axanar has crossed that distinguishes it from true fan productions. And the optics surrounding a situation where, if you just keep paying more (i.e., buy directly from the Donor Store) then you can get perks shipped, while the people whose dollars financed the establishment of your entire operation just wait in limbo until Terry McIntosh presses some buttons before you even get your first patch.

Merchandise is moving, enough to keep a full-time person busy who publicly admits that Store customers' orders get highest priority each day while not one physical product has shipped to the people without whom the whole shebang wouldn't exist in the first place.

That investment has now become a liability (expenses to fulfill) while the Donor Store is a profit center — a source of new and continuing revenue — which Axanar's burn rate of $15,000 a month makes utterly necessary the longer this lawsuit drags on.
 
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There's a fascinating read on him over at Wikipedia (don't like Wikipedia as a source? No prob - there are plenty of footnoted original sources to take a gander at).
Ok, there's too many names involved in this, I'm getting confused!

I was reading Ranahan until I realised we were talking about a male. Who is Randazza, and what's his connection with the lawsuit?
 
This and no warning. Or at least no report. And plenty others. The rules are indeed de facto suspended for the schoolyard politics of this thread.
Christ, dude. Two hours had passed between the post and your complaint. The Mods have lives and I'm sure smacking down rude post doesn't rank near the top.

Notify the mods if there is a post you disagree with and get off your damned soapbox.
 
He's the one who filed the brief on behalf of the 'Language Creation Society' (claiming ownership of the Klingon language shouldn't be considered by the court)

http://1701news.com/node/1176/cbs-paramount-want-klingon-brief-excluded-axanar-case.html
Ah, thank you. I hadn't read that story (unlike all other links), because, although the rest of the discussion about the case here in the thread has been very informative (and dare I say fascinating(!)), this part has just not piqued my interest.
 
I've conducted three crowdfunding campaigns and my idea of customer service is not that donors should have to make extra efforts to get what I promised them. That responsibility was mine.

While donors' dismay was what incited my examination of the perk situation, the issues are more about Axanar's use of perks to set up an untrammeled revenue stream about which they've been anything but transparent.

Indeed, the expenses associated with the merchandise that is being shipped is being reported as if it were fulfilling Kickstarter rewards when it simply couldn't be once you look at Axanar's own data.

The further implication is that when questioned about how much revenue the Donor Store is generating, and how much Axanar is bringing in from its direct donation efforts, Alec Peters deflected the question.

This extensive commercialization around merchandising is one bright line Axanar has crossed that distinguishes it from true fan productions. And the optics surrounding a situation where, if you just keep paying more (i.e., buy directly from the Donor Store) then you can get perks shipped, while the people whose dollars financed the establishment of your entire operation just wait in limbo until Terry McIntosh presses some buttons before you even get your first patch.

Merchandise is moving, enough to keep a full-time person busy who publicly admits that Store customers' orders get highest priority each day while not one physical product has shipped to the people without whom the whole shebang wouldn't exist in the first place.

That investment has now become a liability (expenses to fulfill) while the Donor Store is a profit center — a source of new and continuing revenue — which Axanar's burn rate of $15,000 a month makes utterly necessary the longer this lawsuit drags on.
Once again Carlos drops the mic and dynamite with Vulcan like logic and facts. #BOOM
 

What a delightful individual, using 'Social Justice Warriors' as a derogatory and describing feminists as harpies. Surely social justice is a good thing that we should all aspire to?

With attitudes like his, he's SURPRISED that feminists act negatively towards him? Sheesh...
 
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