CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[mirrormatt86]

'bonesmccoy2014' access of evil list:
Hinman,Pedraza
Hinman,Pedraza
Hinman,Pedraza
Hinman,Pedraza
Hinman,Pedraza
Hinman,Pedraza, & Wheeler
Hinman,Pedraza, & Wheeler
Hinman,Pedraza, & Wheeler

Hey I'm feeling left out, can my name be added too?? Pretty please?

BTW, You know in the new X-files, how, like there was an alien conspiracy and now there isn't one. I dunno, just saying...

Bit disappointed I didn't make that list.... .

 

[trynda1701]

In reviewing my comments, perhaps you missed the part where I was describing the fact that the entire CBS v Axanar case shows that Axanar "is not Star Trek". The case would not appear if Axanar was part of "Star Trek".

"Does not compute. Error, errooorrrr!"

Huh? Ok, care to explain that quoted comment please?

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

"Does not compute. Error, errooorrrr!"

Huh? Ok, care to explain that quoted comment please?

I think it's merely an obvious statement that CBS would not have sued over an "official" Star Trek production.

 

[OtherGene]

I think it's merely an obvious statement that CBS would not have sued over an "official" Star Trek production.

Like Star Trek Into Darkness, for example?

I see.

 

[Jay]

In reviewing my comments, perhaps you missed the part where I was describing the fact that the entire CBS v Axanar case shows that Axanar "is not Star Trek". The case would not appear if Axanar was part of "Star Trek".

The original point of my message was that there were tons of positive things going on with actual Star Trek projects from within CBS and Paramount.

I found it odd that a few loud voices were posting on multiple social media platforms negative commentary about CBS v. Axanar and intentionally timing those statements to coincide with support raising by those other projects.

I am sorry but your reply makes zero sense to me. I don't care what your original message was about. I was asking you a question. Your answer seems to be that no one can steal the IP of Star Trek because it's only Star Trek if it comes from CBS or Paramount? I don't understand what you're saying.

 

[urbandefault]

I hope that guy is better at medicine than he is at law. Or the internet.

 

[Campe]

Oh do tell.
What is the intent that you insinuate?
The allegation of "homophobia" is bizarre.
Between the pro-gay rants by the same individuals, I am clearly NOT the one pushing an agenda.

Please show me where I personally accused you of undermining homosexuality. Oh wait, you can't. Because I didn't.

As for what I believe your true intent is, well, honestly? I don't know. Which is exactly why I posted that I couldn't figure you out.

In the current media climate, I am merely advocating for the EXACT position of the American Academy of Pediatrics with respect to screen time and exposure of children to overt violence, sexuality, and language in film.

https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx

While I appreciate this position in general, I'm not certain what any of this has to do with a lawsuit against a fan film regarding Star Trek (yes, Star Trek) characters and situations. I can't imagine children having any knowledge of interest in Axanar. I feel while any advocacy in this matter is important, it is misplaced here and it continues to veer this topic much further off course.

We have many other forums and threads here, some of which would be perfect to discuss this topic. If this is your true intent, please go check them out.

 

[BillJ]

Oh do tell.
What is the intent that you insinuate?
The allegation of "homophobia" is bizarre.
Between the pro-gay rants by the same individuals, I am clearly NOT the one pushing an agenda.

In the current media climate, I am merely advocating for the EXACT position of the American Academy of Pediatrics with respect to screen time and exposure of children to overt violence, sexuality, and language in film.

https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx

You pointed out "Blood and Fire" exactly why then?

And as to the charge of "homophobia", the charge itself is disgraceful. As a physician, I have treated people suffering from HIV and AIDS. I was at a major university medical center risking my own life while treating dying homosexual males BEFORE AIDS was even in the medical lexicon. So, to the irrational and rude person attempting more cyber bullying, you can put down your forked tongue and aim your venom in another direction.

I don't buy any of this.

 

[Campe]

I don't buy any of this.

You're not the only one, Bill.

 

[Jay]

I don't get what the gay agenda is supposed to be. Acceptance? Isn't that/shouldn't that be everyone's agenda? FOR EVERYONE? How can people like Trek and supposedly believe in IDIC but not accept that some people like the opposite sex and some like the same sex?

 

[Trekkin]

You're not the only one, Bill.

To be fair, he never said he was a doctor/nurse/paramedic etc.

I mean, I can say I've worked at a hospital treating AIDS patients. But it doesn't sound so impressive when I extrapolate that I was 15 at the time, there was one guy who was actually in because of a second infection, and I was just doing some school work experience with the nurses.

I don't get what the gay agenda is supposed to be.

Orgies. Orgies everywhere.

 

[jespah]

In reviewing my comments, perhaps you missed the part where I was describing the fact that the entire CBS v Axanar case shows that Axanar "is not Star Trek". The case would not appear if Axanar was part of "Star Trek".

Actually, they coopted Star Trek characters (Sarek, Soval, Garth of Izar, John Gill, Chang - do these names ring bells?) and situations (Four Years' War) and ships (Enterprise NCC-1701). These are the bases of the lawsuit and they are why CBS and Paramount sued. This is also why the case is of interest to the Trek community - and I haven't even touched upon Klingon, the screen-worn costumes which were reused (at least in part) in the production, the donor store, et alii.

The original point of my message was that there were tons of positive things going on with actual Star Trek projects from within CBS and Paramount.

And there are! There are a ton of topics on them. This is not one of those topics. Not all Star Trek fandom discussions are positive ones. As I had pointed out before (in a post you may not have seen), fans read about Grace Lee Whitney's alcoholism and Chris Pine being pulled over for DUI, yet neither of those news stories harmed the financial bottom line for the IP holders.

I found it odd that a few loud voices were posting on multiple social media platforms negative commentary about CBS v. Axanar and intentionally timing those statements to coincide with support raising by those other projects.

The statement about 'intentionally timing' is a conclusory statement, unsupported by anything other than your belief. Sequence of events does not imply causality, and coincidence does not imply causality, either. Neither does parallel news reporting on newsworthy events in a timely manner. Consider the American presidential election - any number of news organizations reported on Martin O'Malley (remember him?) being pummeled in the few contests he was in. Those news organizations were not piling on; they were reporting on newsworthy events of interest to the general public.

Social media, by the way, can seem to inflate certain voices, but the reality is that that is the algorithm working. Click, comment, vote up, and/or share a post about puppies (yay!) and the algorithm will see those kinds of positive social signals as a mark of your preference for content. Keep doing that, and puppy-related content will be served to you in a slightly more advantageous and common manner, as the algorithm sees you are expressing a rather clear preference. You are (like everyone else is) hit with a tsunami of social media data every day, and you cannot possibly read and absorb it all. While a lot of what you are seeing is served in a chronological order (chronology weighs rather heavily), it is not the sole basis for why you see more content of one flavor versus another. Preference and social signaling also play a huge part, and Facebook feeds it into a predictive algorithm which even they admit is flawed and could use more work.

TL; DR

1. The case is Star Trek-like because the defense claimed they were making Star Trek. I agree the case is pretty clear-cut but the matter is in the allegations stage and has not yet been proven per the law.
2. There are lots of super-positive topics here (this one is more serious but serious does not automatically equal negativity) and they are easy to find. My personal method is to go to 'Home' and then to a forum I like and start nosing around. Happy hunting!
3. I'm sorry you're seeing a conspiracy here, but it's more likely you are seeing the sorting/predictive algorithm at work, at least on Facebook. As for seeing it here, this thread has been posted on by tons of people since its inception; feel free to read back and you will see plenty of voices as people discuss the nuances which interest them, and drop the ones which don't.

Thank you for reading.

 

[Campe]

To be fair, he never said he was a doctor/nurse/paramedic etc.

I mean, I can say I've worked at a hospital treating AIDS patients. But it doesn't sound so impressive when I extrapolate that I was 15 at the time, there was one guy who was actually in because of a second infection, and I was just doing some school work experience with the nurses.

I'm not questioning bonesmccoy's choice of career. I don't know what he is in life and that doesn't matter to me.

I'm questioning his reason for being here. At first it's because of timing and reasoning for others posting, not to mention bringing wiretap allegations into play (it's the statute, bones.... Whether you intended to or not, it was implied by bringing up the statute), then going into discussions of how any reporting on the Axanar story will cause negative issues not only for other crowdfunding campaigns but also CBS/Paramount themselves? Then there's the discussion of the "gay agenda" which I'm not necessarily suggesting bones brought it up but he was involved... I'm really not sure how that point came up. Then he discussss advocacy for amounts of screen time for children.

I'm baffled as to how we got here. When I said Bill wasn't the only one who didn't believe him, it was more in the general sense of "I don't believe he has a real purpose for being here."

I'm sorry if that's incorrect but we've gone on a rollercoaster here and only about 10% being discussed today has to do with the topic at hand. As I said before: there are other threads and forums here to discuss these issues. This is the Axanar lawsuit thread. If I'm here, I want to talk about that. If I want to talk about the new Trek series, I'll go to Future of Trek. If I want to talk about TOS, I'll go to that forum. If I want to talk about general media issues I'll go to that forum. This is just too much and I can't believe we keep engaging with this guy (I'm just as guilty) when there's a lot happening here in this case right now.

 

[urbandefault]

This is just too much and I can't believe we keep engaging with this guy (I'm just as guilty) when there's a lot happening here in this case right now.

It's like a flaming paper bag left on your porch. You can't help but stomp on it even though you know it's full of shit.

 

[steam235]

And as to the charge of "homophobia", the charge itself is disgraceful. As a physician, I have treated people suffering from HIV and AIDS. I was at a major university medical center risking my own life while treating dying homosexual males BEFORE AIDS was even in the medical lexicon. So, to the irrational and rude person attempting more cyber bullying, you can put down your forked tongue and aim your venom in another direction.

It's a very telling sign that to you, gays and HIV/AIDs go hand and hand. Thought and mind sets like that are 30 years in the past.


Edit: My apologies. It was pointed out to me that going off on a tangent towards such a devisive subject might be an attempt by BonesMcCoy2014 to get the Mods to shut the thread.

 

[Richard Baker]

I wonder what he would think to gain by shutting this thread down? I am the OP of it and has watched it climb to almost 16 thousand posts. What happens with this case is important and affects a large number of people from those who make the fan films (properly) to those who enjoy watching them.

If this thread is locked then another will pop up to take it's place minutes later.

 

[wtriker1701]

@bonesmccoy2014:
Since you reiterate, that questions you've raised haven't been answered - especially those, that hint at some orchestrated attack by Pedraza, Hinman and whoever at fan films... there is only ONE way:
Go back all the way to post 1 of this thread, read carefully from 1 to 16000, and you will have all of your questions answered at length!
But: No shortcuts, bonesMcCoy2014 - just DUE DILIGENCE! That's my advice for everyone!

 

[OtherGene]

I wonder what he would think to gain by shutting this thread down? I am the OP of it and has watched it climb to almost 16 thousand posts. What happens with this case is important and affects a large number of people from those who make the fan films (properly) to those who enjoy watching them.

If this thread is locked then another will pop up to take it's place minutes later.

It surprises me that someone would think closing the thread would end the discussion, the conversation, the thought processes but it does chime with some of the policies on the official Axanar social media platforms.

 

[Knightauditor]

@bonesmccoy2014:
Since you reiterate, that questions you've raised haven't been answered - especially those, that hint at some orchestrated attack by Pedraza, Hinman and whoever at fan films... there is only ONE way:
Go back all the way to post 1 of this thread, read carefully from 1 to 16000, and you will have all of your questions answered at length!
But: No shortcuts, bonesMcCoy2014 - just DUE DILIGENCE! That's my advice for everyone!

That's Whay I've done.
My first post

 

[Campe]

That's Whay I've done.
My first post

Welcome!