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Warner bros announce superhero films through 2020

There go those Aquaman rumors.

https://twitter.com/creepypuppet/status/726960529390997505

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Perhaps you've heard of a certain character called Spider-Man?

First off, Sony hack revealed that. Second, it's Spider-Man. Of course, he's the more viable character compared to Namor. Just as he's more viable than almost any other one superhero character, with only Batman and maybe (RDJ's) Iron Man coming close. Especially when it comes to clickbait news. So, no, if Marvel is trying to get the rights for Namor, we would probably not know about it.
 
How is anybody still taking that guy that started those lies seriously?

And I'm really done calling them "rumours", because that guy obviously flat out lies about stuff to get clicks.
I'm willing to bet that Faraci and others like McWeeny actually start the rumors they report on.
 
Aquaman is such a lame character, maybe they can play up his magic & give him a trident, but at the end of the day he's protecting a magic fish city rather than a human city and that is terribly uninteresting. Also, his powers are lame & uncinematic. I thought they were putting Cyborg into the Justice League to replace the lame guy on the team, but never mind.

Speaking of Cyborg, can they not just give us the full Teen Titans team rather than one guy? Just jump right in.
 
Something like this was to be expected.
http://batman-news.com/2016/05/02/zack-snyder-tension-warner-bros-justice-league/
The article lists Jett from Batman-On-Film as a source. He's been very reliable with all things Batman in the past.
We'll see if this amounts to anything or if it's just a case of business as usual in Hollywood

I've never been so hopeful that we'll soon hear the phrase "departed due to creative differences." Maybe they can get George Miller to take over...


Aquaman is such a lame character, maybe they can play up his magic & give him a trident, but at the end of the day he's protecting a magic fish city rather than a human city and that is terribly uninteresting.

Why should it have to be about protecting Atlantis? Wonder Woman is a character who comes from a mythical fantasy kingdom, but we find her story interesting, because it usually involves her coming to our world and getting involved with our affairs. There's no reason Aquaman can't do the same. Keep in mind that Aquaman wasn't even established as half-Atlantean until 1959, 18 years after his creation; originally he'd just been a guy whose father had discovered the secrets of lost Atlantis and taught their science and methods to his son to let him operate underwater. He didn't even become king of Atlantis until 1964. So it's not like there's never been a tradition of Aquaman stories set in the human world. If it can work for Wonder Woman -- or Thor, for that matter -- there's no reason it should be impossible for Aquaman.

I think people forget that, ten years ago, the idea of a successful movie about Iron Man or Thor was seen as absurd. In 2008, Zack Snyder himself scoffed at the idea of a Captain America or Thor movie ever happening. Just a few years ago, the idea of a movie about the Guardians of the Galaxy seemed unconscionable. By now we should've learned better than to assume a character can't work in a movie. It just needs to be done well. Admittedly, that's where Warner Bros. has failed to prove itself with any character other than Batman. But that's not the characters' fault.

Speaking of Cyborg, can they not just give us the full Teen Titans team rather than one guy? Just jump right in.

In the current comics continuity, Cyborg is a founding member of the Justice League, not the Titans.
 
Aquaman isn't a lame character. It's like when people say that they've never read any of Peter David's run or recall how Morrison used him during his JLA run. Geoff Johns run of 20 issues and the remainder of that series...not portrayed as lame, but strong.

Is Super Friends really, 25-30yrs later STILL that dominant in people's minds?
 
If nothing else, I would think the way he was presented in the Justice League/JLU animated series would put that out of people's minds. He was anything but lame in that show

They made a good try, but honestly I wasn't too fond of that version of Aquaman (who, let's face it, was basically Namor). I much prefer the Brave and the Bold John DiMaggio version.
 
If nothing else, I would think the way he was presented in the Justice League/JLU animated series would put that out of people's minds. He was anything but lame in that show

I'm sure many people who were young kids watching Super Friends didn't catch JLU later on in their lives. Anecdotally, I didn't go much past Batman: TAS.
 
I'm sure many people who were young kids watching Super Friends didn't catch JLU later on in their lives.

Heck, I watched Super Friends as a kid, but I'd never make the mistake of assuming its version of any character was definitive. As I said, sure, Aquaman was lame there, but so was every other hero.
 
Aquaman's so called lameness was played up in his New 52 title. He was a regular hero but the characters and the writing itself poked fun at the fact that he wasn't Superman or whatever. Turned out to be one of the best written titles because of it.

Keep in mind that Aquaman wasn't even established as half-Atlantean until 1959, 18 years after his creation; originally he'd just been a guy whose father had discovered the secrets of lost Atlantis and taught their science and methods to his son to let him operate underwater.
That's probably a more interesting take.
 
Why should it have to be about protecting Atlantis? Wonder Woman is a character who comes from a mythical fantasy kingdom, but we find her story interesting, because it usually involves her coming to our world and getting involved with our affairs. There's no reason Aquaman can't do the same.
Yeah, but Wonder Woman isn't exactly a proven cinematic property just yet either. I'm sure they could, in theory, make a good movie based on anyone, but Aquaman? There is some incentive to make Wonder Woman work because she's one of the BIG 3. Aquaman is a weak concept.

Keep in mind that Aquaman wasn't even established as half-Atlantean until 1959, 18 years after his creation; originally he'd just been a guy whose father had discovered the secrets of lost Atlantis and taught their science and methods to his son to let him operate underwater. He didn't even become king of Atlantis until 1964. So it's not like there's never been a tradition of Aquaman stories set in the human world. If it can work for Wonder Woman -- or Thor, for that matter -- there's no reason it should be impossible for Aquaman.

I think people forget that, ten years ago, the idea of a successful movie about Iron Man or Thor was seen as absurd. In 2008, Zack Snyder himself scoffed at the idea of a Captain America or Thor movie ever happening. Just a few years ago, the idea of a movie about the Guardians of the Galaxy seemed unconscionable. By now we should've learned better than to assume a character can't work in a movie. It just needs to be done well. Admittedly, that's where Warner Bros. has failed to prove itself with any character other than Batman. But that's not the characters' fault.

Yeah I'll believe it when I see it.

In the current comics continuity, Cyborg is a founding member of the Justice League, not the Titans.

I'm fully aware of DCs terrible decisions.

Aquaman's so called lameness was played up in his New 52 title. He was a regular hero but the characters and the writing itself poked fun at the fact that he wasn't Superman or whatever. Turned out to be one of the best written titles because of it.

That's probably a more interesting take.

Sounds like a great idea for an adult swim cartoon.
 
Yeah, but Wonder Woman isn't exactly a proven cinematic property just yet either. I'm sure they could, in theory, make a good movie based on anyone, but Aquaman? There is some incentive to make Wonder Woman work because she's one of the BIG 3. Aquaman is a weak concept.

Like I said, people used to think the same about Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, etc. Just because you can't imagine a way to make Aquaman work doesn't mean nobody can. It just means you aren't creative enough to be a successful filmmaker.
 
Like I said, people used to think the same about Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, etc.
I never doubted that superhero movies could work in general. I think the only people who really doubted that were the studios themselves. I just doubt that I can give a shit about Aquaman, because he sucks, and I doubt that DC can make a movie starring not Batman that rises above pure cringe or box office poison. They can barely even get Superman to work on the big screen. I mean, Superman does make money, in the same sense that Transformers seems to make money while being total fluff, so well done, WB.

Then again I did like Green Lantern, but everyone else seems to hate that one, so ymmv.

Marvel is doing a pretty good job in cinema, though I've only watched the Iron Man, Spider Man, X-Men & Avengers series personally - I'm more of a DC guy (believe it or not).

Just because you can't imagine a way to make Aquaman work doesn't mean nobody can. It just means you aren't creative enough to be a successful filmmaker.

More like a lack of motivation. I don't see the effort needed to make Aquaman work as being worth the effort. Suicide Squad - That's the one I'm watching.
 
I never doubted that superhero movies could work in general. I think the only people who really doubted that were the studios themselves. I just doubt that I can give a shit about Aquaman, because he sucks...

The point is, each of those characters individually was seen by many people as lame and unsuitable for a movie. And each one was proven otherwise when the right way of telling the story was found.

If any random schmo could see in advance how to make a movie work, it wouldn't be as valuable a talent. It's the job of storytellers to find ways to surprise us, to find the answers we couldn't see and tell stories in ways we never could've imagined. That's why so very many great stories have been built around ideas that nobody believed could ever work. The ability to see how it could work when nobody else could was what made those stories' creators great.


, and I doubt that DC can make a movie starring not Batman that rises above pure cringe or box office poison. They can barely even get Superman to work on the big screen.

Which is really the point. A great character can be done badly, and thus it follows that a "lame" character can be done well, in principle. If the Aquaman movie bombs, it won't be because of the character, it will be because of the choices made by the studio and the director and the writers.
 
Something like this was to be expected.
http://batman-news.com/2016/05/02/zack-snyder-tension-warner-bros-justice-league/
The article lists Jett from Batman-On-Film as a source. He's been very reliable with all things Batman in the past.
We'll see if this amounts to anything or if it's just a case of business as usual in Hollywood

I do find it surprising that they're sticking with Snyder so far. It was one thing for a Superman movie to underperform (given the character is not nearly as popular as he once was), but a Batman versus Superman movie featuring the first appearance of Wonder Woman??

It seems pretty undeniable that Snyder's style and direction was the biggest reason for that. And it's frankly hard to imagine things changing much for Justice League. Even if it does a lot better initially because of all the superheroes involved, it's likely going to be just as divisive as the other movies and not nearly as profitable as something like that easily could be.
 
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They can barely even get Superman to work on the big screen. I mean, Superman does make money, in the same sense that Transformers seems to make money while being total fluff, so well done, WB.
You say that like it's the character's fault. It's not. The fault is with the studio and the direction they take the characters. Superman is a cashcow just waiting to be milked; the problem is WB refuses to milk it, and instead demands that the people they hire instead start a soy farm and process the beans from that farm into disgusting soy milk that's nothing like the actual milk that would be given by the cash cow. (I kind of lost where I was going with that analogy, but hopefully you get the drift.)

Marvel is doing a pretty good job in cinema, though I've only watched the Iron Man, Spider Man, X-Men & Avengers series personally - I'm more of a DC guy (believe it or not).
As am I. Big time. I especially love Superman. The problem is that Marvel Studios and whoever allowed Deadpool to happen (New Line? I'm not sure off the top of my head) have actually embraced their characters and created movies that feature those characters. WB, on the other hand, apparently wants to desperately create some new not-so-superheroes, throw their IP skins on it, and then try to convince audiences that those really are the characters. It's really confusing why they insist on doing that. I mean, they're even trying to force every single one of their DC movies to be dark and gloomy; a mood that really only fits Batman. And even despite that, they go and make sure Batman uses every single firearm he can get his hands on, too, completely missing the point of the character.

It's pretty sad that the Black Widow in the latest Captain America movie was a better Batman than Batman was. Particularly the way she fought, and what she ended up doing at the airport (trying not spoil things). Totally Batman right there.

More like a lack of motivation. I don't see the effort needed to make Aquaman work as being worth the effort.
That I agree with. I actually think Aquaman can work -- after all, Marvel made a talking squirrel and a mobile tree two of the most awesome characters ever. I just don't think WB can do it. I mean, the casting alone has been mindboggling already. That guy's acting chops is limited to him looking and acting intimidating; the moment he opens his mouth, it gets... well, embarrassing.
 
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