Into Darkness/Paradise Lost

[The Wormhole]

Two-timing SOB. I bet he's a Changeling himself, meddling in our affairs for centuries.

Actually, it's funny, a recent Enterprise novel mentions V'Las was last seen in the vicinity of the Briar Patch. What if he stayed there for the next two centuries (courtesy of the fountain of youth planet) and after he left, he had himself surgically altered to look human and infiltrated Starfleet?

 

[Ovation]

There's your pitch for a novel. Now get cracking before someone else steals your idea.

 

[Trekfan12]

It's one of those lazy, rainy Sundays and for some reason I am in the mood to watch "Into the Darkness." I haven't watched it since the theater. I happen to like Benedict Cumberbatch and I think he can make a great villain. My problem with this movie is why take a character like Khan (for whom I think of Ricardo Montelban and really can't wrap my mind around Benedict taking over this role from) instead of just creating an original villain? We saw Nero from the first movie, he did a good job of making me hate him (especially since he destroyed Vulcan. I guess it was time to destroy a planet besides Earth (which it seems is what most extraterrestrials want to do. well except ET, but I digress)
I remember when they mentioned that Benedict Cumberbatch was going to be playing a villain and we got a photo tease of he and Spock battling it out I got all excited. Until I found out he was a reboot of Khan. Just not the same. But I still think there are plenty of elements of this movie worth watching. Especially the friendship of Kirk and Spock, the big element for me that made me a fan of the show (and the hope for the future message and a whole lot more) and kept me coming back to the fandom for 50 years.

I'll come back and comment after I've watched it. (I'm going through Amazon video. I have a kindle fire and I think I'd like to watch it on that. )

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Homefront/Paradise lost and Star Trek Into Darkness are both, ultimately, on-screen treatments of Diane Carey's "Dreadnought!"

It even had the fancy prototype Dreadnought.

 

[The Wormhole]

My problem with this movie is why take a character like Khan (for whom I think of Ricardo Montelban and really can't wrap my mind around Benedict taking over this role from) instead of just creating an original villain?

It was Lindelof who was lobbying for the movie to feature Khan even back while Trek XI was in production, where he was trying to get a post-credits scene featuring the Botany Bay. Allegedly, a draft of STID's script was written featuring original character John Harrison as the villain, it was Lindelof who suggested John Harrison be an alias for Khan and everyone relented.

 

[Trekfan12]

It was Lindelof who was lobbying for the movie to feature Khan even back while Trek XI was in production, where he was trying to get a post-credits scene featuring the Botany Bay. Allegedly, a draft of STID's script was written featuring original character John Harrison as the villain, it was Lindelof who suggested John Harrison be an alias for Khan and everyone relented.

I think John Harrison was fine the way he was, I liked Benedicts depiction of an evil character. I can't think Khan and NOT think Ricardo Montalban.

 

[fireproof78]

It was Lindelof who was lobbying for the movie to feature Khan even back while Trek XI was in production, where he was trying to get a post-credits scene featuring the Botany Bay. Allegedly, a draft of STID's script was written featuring original character John Harrison as the villain, it was Lindelof who suggested John Harrison be an alias for Khan and everyone relented.

Indeed. It was a push by Lindelof, and personally, it wasn't a necessary change.
But, I don't mind Cumberbatch as Khan either. I just think it could have been done better as John Harrison.

 

[suarezguy]

I think the DS9 episodes were much better but to be fair it's questionable if you could have a film protagonist change in his views so much in a film as Sisko did (although having that amount of nuance and growth makes for a better story). Both Leyton and Marcus were a bit overstated-villainy but in comparison Leyton seemed much more sincere and reasonable and much less Bwahaha.

- The Lakota/Vengeance does "switch sides" in the end, but unfortunately this time it's not from a crisis of conscience by its commander but because Khan took over the ship with the help of Kirk and Scotty.

There it seemed like too much of a convenient coincidence that the Vengeance had such a small crew rather than the Lakota the captain making a difficult realization and decision that the admiral she had been supporting was trying to go too far.

The DS9 two-parter was watchable, but had nothing to compare with the emotional hits of Pike dying or Kirk's sacrifice, the intense action of Spock's chase through San Francisco

The space jump was a highlight but I don't see how the foot chase was either epic or intense.

 

[The Wormhole]

I think the DS9 episodes were much better but to be fair it's questionable if you could have a film protagonist change in his views so much in a film as Sisko did (although having that amount of nuance and growth makes for a better story). Both Leyton and Marcus were a bit overstated-villainy but in comparison Leyton seemed much more sincere and reasonable and much less Bwahaha.

Yeah, Marcus was too much of a moustache twirler, complete with a scary evil starship. But also, he didn't really have the kind of personal relationship with anyone that Sisko had with Leyton to make the interplay interesting. Which is kind of neglectful, considering one the characters in the movie is Marcus's own daughter.