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A decent plot.
I could have sworn TNG mentioned a few times that all transporters tend to be less-than-comfortable. I think it made Riker nauseous or something.
That is, when the things aren't suffering their usual 'Oh God, my spleen is now where my hand should be!' Issues.
Inventing something into the rules of your universe only to hobble it later because it breaks your story is stupid. Write a better story.
Star Trek as a whole must be in a wheelchair, then.
I know this is a popular reductionist argument in matters of discrimination, but gene expression in utero and during a lifetime does far more than simply form the genitals. People in general are defined by much more than that, and discrimination itself includes far more attributes. The reductionist statement itself is sexist even when used to reveal the sexism in a sexist argument or person. It's an easy, lazy hyperbole.
Yeah, I kind of agree with that. They spent a whole lot of time hobbling their own devices, especially in the movies.Star Trek as a whole must be in a wheelchair, then.
The movies? It started with TOS!!!!! How many androids did Kirk find and forget about? The UFP should be swimming androids! How about that warp speed limit.
I like motorbikes and the Beastie Boys. But because they used the Beastie Boys during advertising doesn't mean that their music will be in the film itself.
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Same here, and yeah, trailer does not necessarily equal actual movie content. I'm still annoyed that Starship Troopers didn't have "Song 2" in the film, but it was in the trailer.
Damn movie better be nothing cycle jumps set to Beastie Boys music or I'm boycotting!
I could see big ideas with the transwarp beaming.
One could beam a whole pile of bombs onto another planet and have them detonate, and hell galactic terrorism.... There's a billion bad things you could do with transwarp beaming.
One could beam a whole pile of bombs onto another planet and have them detonate, and hell galactic terrorism.... There's a billion bad things you could do with transwarp beaming.
As long as those billion things don't involve any plan more complicated than blind-beaming one or two persons to a less-than-precisely-defined set of destination coordinates, anyway.
I don't have much of a problem with insta-beaming. There are all sorts of reasons one can invent for it not breaking the universe (see previous posts). More of a problem is how Enterprise gets close enough to Kronos to launch a shuttle without the Klingons noticing.
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I love when some 'trek' fans prove the point so effortlessly.
For all people's claims about trek being progressive, it's pretty obvious that some people like trek because it was a show made in the 60s and they will always hate a modern itineration of it because it isn't.
And after all, why should hollywood reflect real life, right? I love people using the 'politically correct' concern trolling excuse to silence those who ask fiction to be more realistic and reflect the present time, rather than middleages. Listening to you all, Hollywood should only tell stories about cis white straight men because writers would be sexist for having female characters to have female characters beside male characters, racist for having poc to have poc beside white people only, homophobes for having lgbt people beside straight people, ableist for having people with disabilities .. and so on. People have a talent for turning it all into minorities apparently being the oppressors and the ones with privileges, and make it seems that if Hollywood keeps being outdated THAT is progressive.
But also, nice try but let's be clear here: in this reboot Uhura is already elevated as a character at the level of the original trio, a choice you might dislike but that was praised by many fans and critics (her being in possession of a vagina you never see undeniably not being the sole reason why people like her) and that realistically, since this is still a continuation, some might expect to see again to some extent. It is the Kirk/Spock show + Uhura, or Pine, Saldana, Quinto. It's not like we had 2 movies with the characters and dynamics being like tos and now people suddenly expect the female character to get bumped over your faves (and, anyway, even in the original Scotty never was at the level of the original trio especially when Mccoy himself barely was). You considering them more important and interesting than the other secondary characters is beside the point and just your opinion. You can't even use the 'star power' argument for, well, obvious reasons. Frankly, Scotty gets all this attention now only because his actor is one of the writers.
Neverthless, it's not people like me who are having temper tantrums since 2009 because the 'vagina' got in the way of their guys only party. I'm not the one who kept asking the reboot team to write their thing my way, and complained even about a stupid poster. If i wanted to be gross for a matter of solidarity with your comment here, and keep you in good company in that regard, I could say the only reason you and people like you think McCoy and Scotty, who are not the story and never were - nor they bring anything we can't have with other characters too regardless their sex - should be bumped up over Uhura is because they have a dick. And you are greedy too because, and I may remind you, trek already has two main male characters, so we surely don't lack male genitalia contribution and representation here. Adding even more of a not so different or original kind would be, well, redundant.
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The Trek universe is fairly incoherent. There's alot in there that breaks the universe if one follows the logic. I'm not detained by that.
I approach these films, like I would any piece of cultural work and I don't like clumsy devices that wind up deflating the drama particularly when it isn't difficult to write something decent instead. In-universe justification are fun to discuss and some courageous efforts are made here to do that. But no matter how valid they maybe -- in-universe justifications doesn't really improve the standing of what strikes me as a clumsy, ill-thought out plot device.
we also forget that tos was the Kirk's show and that Spock himself, once upon a time, was bumped over other characters to lead status because he was the most popular. The so called 'holy trinity' was actually, in substance, more a duo, and Nimoy himself fought to have that recognized by writers and for his character to be more than just the hero's sidekick.
It is always a bit weird for me to see certain people suddenly preach about the holy trinity and McCoy's role in a reboot that has different dynamics and context already. The fact that some seem to complain only when a specific woman has her role increased, but on the flip side don't care about the holy trinity if it's the K/S show, or it's another not so unique male character having his role increased, is well.. maybe I'll just accidentally mention that this kind of behavior might, indeed, suggest that those people 'don't like female characters' being part of the narrative like the dudes always are by default, specifically.
and back to my original point, if that wasn't clear, no one is saying that Uhura should be the main character and I actually believe that having a 'Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Mccoy' thing would be just the natural evolution of what we have already watched so far in the narrative. Having a 'Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Mccoy' show, like the article from the empire and others make it seems that it is, is NOT and it would, if that translates into the movie as well, no doubt essentially require Pegg to ignore pre-existing character dynamics (not just for Uhura, but one of the protagonists as well) to make his secondary character unnecessarily more important than he ever was in both treks, in spite of the integrity of the story and its main characters.
After two movies where Uhura/Saldana was basically the third lead and her and McCoy are the ones with the biggest connection to the protagonists, and she is part of the second most important and discussed relationship for one of the leads and this trek in general (and the only different one too, since the bromance quota should be filled by K/S and Kirk/Bones contribution aplenty), some can't expect that no one will notice a change, if there is any, and not call it out for being unoriginal and going backwards compared to what the previous team already did.
Liking Scotty more than Uhura because he's funny or what have you is irrelevant, but even in that regard it's only a matter of opinion. Nevertheless, if we really need to discuss such aspect, it doesn't seem to me that Scotty has a bigger fanbase than Uhura/Saldana ( it just takes ONE look online in certain sites to see that the most popular are Pine, Quinto, Saldana and Urban) and, frankly, I never read any meta or article asking for him to become one of the leads, or anyone being like 'enough with the boring Kirk/Spock bromance! Give us more Scotty!'. Even among those who asked for more McCoy, not all of them wanted it to be mutual exclusive with Uhura, and those who indeed made it mutually exclusive were only the people who want the original trio back, they didn't make arguments like 'oh Uhura needs to gtfo because trek was the amazing quadriumvirate with McCoy and Scotty'.
and I might argue that tos Uhura is a more relevant character in pop culture, regardless how she was mistreated in the original source material like Hela eloquently suggested, than Scotty, and the secondary male characters, because of what she represented at the time for trek and poc. Her character literally inspired woc to pursue a career as actresses, she inspired women to join the nasa. Maybe this might be hard to comprehend and relate to for non poc, but I think it's safe to say we all, regardless everything, were exposed to and are able to recognize why her character is an icon.
NuUhura isn't prominent at all. There's some early sparring with Kirk and she nags Spock in a stereotypically girlfriend kinda way. That's all I remember of her anyway.
Talk about stereotypes: doing a good job proving a certain one true.
and no, she did more than that and surely more than the secondary male characters and, if anything, she isn't more a naggy girlfriend than Kirk and McCoy are naggy 'friends' (Kirk with Spock, McCoy with Kirk. and that excluding original McCoy's constant rants about Spock being half another species).
I'll forever find it amusing how certain fans criticize Uhura for the very thing they love and praise, and request this trek to have no matter what, in the dynamics between the guys. Not to mention people who criticize her for supposed traits that yet are flaws the male characters display, and they are liked for or called 'complex' and layered. This, where I live, is called double standard and, in this case, sexism.
If Uhura was developed like Kirk, Spock and McCoy, people like you would ask for her head on a plate.
obviously, I'm not the one here who defines characters and judges them according to the shape of their genitalia or their gender.
Irony.
I'm recording my impressions of the character. They wrote that character henpecking at Spock in typical style and that as prominent as she got. The main trio got prominent and dynamic roles in this film. I've no personal objections to making Uhura more prominent if that's what it is upsetting you about my post. But nuUhura isn't particularly prominent in these films and if you're seeing something else then I think you've been watching a different brace of films than I watched!
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