Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[HIjol]

+1 (from the Old Days)
Yeah, me, too...there was a time when I would have had more strength to avoid any info about an upcoming feature, but I am too old for that now, and too excited for the next installment.

Plus, any chance to see any version of the Enterprise in any Universe is something I cannot, as the Borg say, resist.

(Except 1701-B)

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Every time you use the super transporter, a puppy dies. That's why only villains can use it.

Well we better not use it then.

How did Khan get his hands on that anyway? I thought Scotty only did that as a one off in the first movie?

 

[photon70]

Well we better not use it then.

How did Khan get his hands on that anyway? I thought Scotty only did that as a one off in the first movie?

Scotty said in STiD that his transwarp equations were confiscated by Starfleet after ST09, so Khan got his hands on the equations via Starfleet whilst under the persona of John Harrison, a Section 31 operative.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Scotty said in STiD that his transwarp equations were confiscated by Starfleet after ST09, so Khan got his hands on the equations via Starfleet whilst under the persona of John Harrison, a Section 31 operative.

Ah, my mistake.

I still think he and Marcus were in cohoots. Both knew about the bombing

 

[ricardocube]

Re: transwarp beaming. The only way I can get it round my head is that the transwarp devise somehow connects itself to the transporters of vessels and bases en rout to the destination, so the person who is being transported kind of bounces from one transporter buffer to another. (a bit like a site-to-site transporter, but over longer distances at warp speed). This would require a great deal of planning and technical insight or control of starfeet vessel whereabouts, but in my head thats the only way I can see how the device fits into Star Trek canon without recking the entire universe and the need for starships.

 

[F. King Daniel]

We've seen loads of super-long-range transporters in Trek, from Gary Seven to those aliens from that Voyager episode the Dominion. It was inevitable that Starfleet would figure it out eventually, and if you watch TNG's "Bloodlines" they use something very similar.

As for it making star ships obsolete, watch Stargate. They started off with instant transportation across the galaxy, and ended up building giant starships because that wasn't enough.

 

[Paradise City]

It's not "in-universe plausibility" that is the real question. It's just that device as a plot device is a bit too easy and too brazen. Can't Kahn not steal a ship or something or have some clever scenes were he outwits the 'prise and escape? As it is, Kahn does his terrorism, OK, and then the writers fall flat.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Where's my thought was, "cool they're using that big thing from the previous movie rather than sweeping it under the rug". IMO the chain of events, Old Spock giving Scotty the formula, Starfleet/Section 31 confiscating and weaponizing it, and Khan using one after destroying S31 HQ (presumably all the others were lost with the London base) was really cool. YMMV

 

[Paradise City]

My thought was they got lazy. They wrote some of the action pieces well but instead of concluding these segments with the same standard, they broke up for pizza and threw out this transwarp stuff. They even ripped off the name of the damn thing from the original movies. Earth to Kronos in a flick of a switch just underwhelmed me.

And sure you could innovate a circuitous justification for that or cozy up around the idea that Trek has done dumb stuff before but none of that helped me engage with this film. I'm happy it worked for you and others though.

 

[JWPlatt]

As for it making star ships obsolete, watch Stargate.

Different universe, different rules. The creator can make up anything he wants. If his universe rules say starships can be replaced, that's the (fictional) fact. That's not to say Star Trek rules support the point - only that Stargate rules don't apply.

 

[RAMA]

I never understood why the limited, small-scale, secretive, and relatively new form of transportation was supposed to automatically make spacecraft obsolete. People aren't really thinking it through the knee-jerk reaction.

 

[RAMA]

Now with 3,700 votes

An unscientific poll. According to this one from Trekmovie.com, more fans are excited for the movie than the TV show. While this might seem understandable as the movie comes out months before the series will, the internet would have you believe it is the exact opposite. This is the only sample I have to draw from currently though:

 

[Nyotarules]

I never understood why the limited, small-scale, secretive, and relatively new form of transportation was supposed to automatically make spacecraft obsolete. People aren't really thinking it through the knee-jerk reaction.

Because 'in universe' what becomes limited and small scale can became extended and large scale if the writer/creator wants it to be. After all in the Star Trek universe transporters make passenger airlines obsolete. You can live in Sydney and work in New York City.

 

[BillJ]

Because 'in universe' what becomes limited and small scale can became extended and large scale if the writer/creator wants it to be. After all in the Star Trek universe transporters make passenger airlines obsolete. You can live in Sydney and work in New York City.

But passenger or any other kind of aircraft haven't made cars, trains or boats obsolete. Nor did the transporters abilities in the 24th century make other types of medical treatment obsolete.

Transwarp beaming is only a problem because some want to use it as proof that Abrams broke Star Trek.

 

[JD]

I can see the issue with the transwarp beaming, but I still think there is plenty of reason to keep starships around. I would think you would still want to use starships for big long term exploratory missions at least. You're not going to want to be just randomly beaming down to unknown planets, with no idea what to expect. It would also be a lot easier to use a starship if you need to transport lots of people and lots of equipment around.

 

[Shalashaska]

'Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Bones & co' - well, ok. ^
I guess some complained that in this reboot Uhura apparently 'replaced' Bones in the trio, and some rational people said they could just make it a quadrumvirate since a modern trek could handle being less about the usual dudes.... and star trek beyond maybe followed that suggestion and will give us that! just try to not pay too much attention to the fact that it's maybe going to be the far more revolutionary and interesting route of making it all about four men.

tl dr; here's hoping that the promotion of this movie, so far, is not too reflective of the tone of the movie itself.
JJ&co weren't flawless as a creative team, but there are certain things they absolutely got right, and it took trek 'only' 50 years. I'm a tos fan just like everyone here, but I don't have nostalgia for how things were in the 60s and I really don't need to see the new team trying to 'restore' old dynamics and tropes at any cost in spite of what was done in the first movies.

The way that article (and many others) is worded reminds me that, in the end, it feels like for all the talks about the 'trek progressiveness' and trek 'spirit' by some trek fans, it seems some people love trek first foremost for his more conservative elements and thus the stuff Gene couldn't do because he still was a dude making a show in the 60s.

So, the only reason you think Uhura should be bumped up over McCoy and Scotty is because she has a vagina?

Doesn't sound all that progressive to me. Might as well just give her a participation award.

And don't start saying it's because people don't like seeing females in lead roles. Bones and Scotty are just cooler and funnier than Uhura, in both old and new versions of the characters.

 

[Trekkin]

Can't imagine transwarp beaming is all that great for going 'where no man has gone before.' It's useless if you don't know if there's anything to beam onto in the first place.

Plus, there'd still be the military side of things. We can drop bombs on our enemies from continents away, but it doesn't remove the need for a navy.

So, the only reason you think Uhura should be bumped up over McCoy and Scotty is because she has a vagina?

Doesn't sound all that progressive to me. Might as well just give her a participation award while we're at it.

No, she should have an increased role because we tend to frown on 'tokens' these days, which is exactly what TOS Uhura was. Not just because they're pretty offensive, but because they're boring to watch. Whether she's been 'bumped up over' the others is a matter of opinion, and doesn't matter anyway. When you get new creators (and an entirely new creative context), there's going to always be changes.

How we forget that, once upon a time, the writers changed their minds and decided to promote McCoy himself 'up over' Scotty to lead character status. Or started giving some random Russian idiot more screen time than Sulu.

 

[Shalashaska]

Now with 3,700 votes

Other than who's working on it, we don't know anything concrete to get excited for with the new Star Trek series.

Beyond on the other hand, it has motorbikes and Beastie Boys. What else could you ask for?

 

[RAMA]

So far, we've seen nothing to suggest regular transporters have made other forms of transportation obsolete. Shuttles, pods, cars, even sea-going ships (STID) appear to be ubiquitous.

The limited availability and usefulness of a personal long range transporter compared to a starship and all it's systems is apparent. That may change in it's future but there's no reason to suggest it would be so in Beyond.

Because 'in universe' what becomes limited and small scale can became extended and large scale if the writer/creator wants it to be. After all in the Star Trek universe transporters make passenger airlines obsolete. You can live in Sydney and work in New York City.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

An astute writer could always introduce the idea that there is a serious increase in adverse health effects in prolonged use of transwarp beaming, and hence no one should do it more than twice in their life. But that still allows people to do it in the first place.