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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I'm willing to give some the benefit of the doubt that Peters did indeed have permission to do everything he was doing.

I mean, Peters publicly said he did. Of course, that makes him a liar - but I can't totally fault people who were working in good faith under said liar.
 
Maurice said:
Jumping back to the Does, dunno if anyone mentioned this before, but back on April 3rd—the day after his most recent post here,—Titan Designer Sean P. Tourangeau claims he's been "blacklisted" for working on Axanar (link). I assume he means he can't get hired to do Trek stuff. If so, unsurprising... no licensee is gonna risk hire someone who's potentially on the licensor's lawsuit's Doe list.

EDIT: Whoops. I see HMS Ark Royal beat me to the punch!
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And so it begins....
 
My stance on this is simple. Before the lawsuit the crew was just trying to make a good Star Trek fan film, I can perfectly understand and appreciate that. After the lawsuit was filed they should have left ASAP to better protect themselves. If they continued to stay on then I don't have an sympathy for them. If I were in Alec's shoes, I would have told them all to leave and completely suspend things and not expect to want anyone else to face the lawsuit. The fact that he is continuing on like nothing is happening shows a blatant disregard for his crew that wants to stay. This is not Kirk and the gang stealing the Enterprise in STIII, these are people's lively hoods. People need to get back to reality of the world we live in, and see that.
 
Jedi_Master said:
I have some sympathy... he's not the first to be duped by Alec and he won't be the last.
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Hate to say it but you can't say he was 'duped' as EVERYONE (including existing Star Trek fan productions) who's done anything for CBS/Paramount (including content winners) knows that C/P OWN Star Trek lock, stock, and barrel. Now I'm sure he never thought Axanar would get sued (they did not for Prelude to Axanar initially); BUT once the Axanar production (and Alec Peters personally) was sued - he could have publically quit (and let C/P know immediately) and publicly distanced himself from the Axanar project - but did not (so far as I know) until the 4/10/16 tweet - 4 months and two weeks after the lawsuit was filed.

So yeah, zero sympathy as he made a choice and has to live with the decision he made.
 
Actually I stopped doing work for the back during the first of the year. Not asking for sympathy at all what is done is done. The thing that sucks was that I did everything for free for my love of Trek. That is all I will share at this time. I just want Trek to be good and see it continue for another 50 plus years. If I have to just be a fan that is fine with me. Only thing positive out of this mess is some fine actors that I got to meet during my time. So hate me or not there is nothing I can do about it now. 20 20 hind site learn an move on..
 
Titan Designer said:
So hate me or not there is nothing I can do about it now.
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No hate involved, ever. I don't even hate Peters. I just have a tough time with sympathy when you guys went into this with open eyes and definite signals from CBS that what was going on wasn't kosher with them.
 
Read the original Axanar thread. Sean was helping back when this was still a project that alec was self funding. His part was even before Tobias did the cgi, and way before any crowd funding.
 
Titan Designer said:
The thing that sucks was that I did everything for free for my love of Trek.
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Yes, it is those feelings you're experiencing as this plays out with which I empathize.

So hate me or not there is nothing I can do about it now.
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Hate would never even occur to me.

20 20 hind site learn an move on..
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Regarding any role in this matter that may have involved you: I am moving on too.
 
steam235 said:
Read the original Axanar thread. Sean was helping back when this was still a project that alec was self funding. His part was even before Tobias did the cgi, and way before any crowd funding.
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I've been here through all of it.

There should've been massive Red Alerts going off in Titan Designer's mind well before the lawsuit was filed. The annual report that Peters put out, with him paying himself 38K, spending 7K on a phone, 9K on a car, buying an IP from David Gerrold, should've been enough for people to realize this was moving into scam territory.

And I seriously doubt Mr. Peters has spent any of his own money on Axanar. At any stage.
 
Sorry to hear that Sean. I always say that most of the people who worked on Axanar are good people. I remember Sean's work back over at the Scifi-Meshes days. I think most of us would agree, that our dislike for Axanar, has nothing to do with most of the people who worked for them. It had to do with Alec, the second we heard his name was involved in a fan film, we knew the outcome would not be good.
 
JoeRalat said:
Sorry to hear that Sean. I always say that most of the people who worked on Axanar are good people. I remember Sean's work back over at the Scifi-Meshes days. I think most of us would agree, that our dislike for Axanar, has nothing to do with most of the people who worked for them. It had to do with Alec, the second we heard his name was involved in a fan film, we knew the outcome would not be good.
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Completely agree on the part of the people who worked on the project, including Sean. Have been a fan of Sean's work for a while, and don't wish any ill will or hatred towards him or anyone else.

personally, I would rather see the legal arguments get underway and that can establish whatever legal precedent and move on.
 
Thomas Marrone designed some of the backer patches for Axanar (the ones on the Production Art page), and he is also an artist on Star Trek Online.

I like his work. He has designed some nice ships, and rebuilt some of the canon ones for the game, I hope this doesn't affect him.
 
To be fair to people like Sean, the Axanar project appears to have started like a lot of other fan-films: self-funded and volunteer workers. Even after the crowd-source funding started, it was still in-line with the larger projects. At the time, it looked like yet-another fan-film CBS would ignore.

But once things started going sideways, I assume CBS sent a Cease-&-Desist letter to Peters long before going the route of a full-on law suit. But did he share this information with the rest of the crew, or was that held within his inner circle? So, I'm not going to find "fault" with anyone outside that core group who bailed out once the law suit was made public. I'll even allow those who took a couple-few weeks to sort it out the benefit of doubt. Those who stayed and drank the Kool-Aid, not so much.
 
Well we know that CBS sent them a letter as Peters said they'd written to him asking for "Star Trek" to be removed from the name of the project - and at the same time reminding him they don't condone the blatant use of the IP in the way he was doing - strangely enough, I have found the blog for that day is missing
 
To this day, I don't think Peters started off planning anything less than honorable. Despite his inability to take criticism. Despite his past failures. I really do believe that. But I think buying into the cult of personality that is developed not only of your film but of you yourself is what really did Axanar in. But now, he's dug his own grave. And unfortunately, Sean, RMB and others' as well. It's too bad because they're all immensely talented.
 
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