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MeTV's SuperSci-Fi Saturday Night

By the way, we were talking earlier in the thread about the early Hulk comics and how the nature and cause of the Hulk transformations evolved, so when I happened across Essential Hulk Vol. 1 at the library, I decided to check it out. It includes the original 6-issue Hulk comic and the first several dozen chapters of the Tales to Astonish serial, though it skips over the Avengers and FF installments in between that are pretty crucial to the Hulk's early narrative (although fortunately I read those FF issues fairly recently). It's pretty wild to see how Lee and Kirby (and Ditko and the other ToA artists) were pretty much throwing things at the wall and constantly retooling their concepts in hopes of finding a formula that worked.

There was a recent Avengers mini-series, "Ultron Forever," that had a lot of fun with this very thing. One of the characters was a time-traveling Hulk from those early days. At one point, he actually grows two heads - a Hulk one and a Banner one - and he isn't even especially surprised because, as he points out, the nature of the transformation is constantly changing and to him this is just the latest progression. :guffaw:

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^^ Hmm, I might get that, if it's in TPB. I suppose it's too much to hope that Kurt Busek wrote it.

In those early days, Stan couldn't remember the character's name and Jack couldn't remember how many toes he had, so it's not surprising there were inconsistencies. I like it when writers have the gumption to explain these things. These days they too often ignore inconvenient events, or just reboot the character.
 
In those early days, Stan couldn't remember the character's name and Jack couldn't remember how many toes he had, so it's not surprising there were inconsistencies.

...which is amusing, since Lee and Kirby battled in interviews and convention appearances I witnessed through the 70s & 80s retconning their own history to sell the idea their creations were the result of some master planning. Long after Kirby's passing, Lee still pulls that crap.
 
The last couple episodes were OK.
Of Guilt, Models, and Murder
The whole idea of a post Hulk-out Banner investigating what happened during while he was The Hulk was cool, but the situation he found himself in wasn't really that interesting.
Terror In Time Square
I was out when the episode started, so I came in about 10 or 15 minutes into it, but the main plot wasn't anything real noteworth.
I did get a big kick out of the Hulk actually running around in Time Square, that was pretty fun. Did the show ever do any other on location filming like that?
It was funny that it was getting stuck in traffic that set off that Hulk-out. I know there was more to it than that, but it's still a funny idea.
 
Did the show ever do any other on location filming like that?
Other than outdoor locations in California...good question. @TREK_GOD_1 may have info about that.

I'm sure that episodes like the upcoming Vegas episode and "Married", which takes place in Hawaii, may have had some establishing shots, but I don't know offhand if any original filming was done in those locations.
 
When was the longest time that Banner remained in the Hulk form? Prometheus?

Most likely, if you count the parts where he was trapped halfway between David and the Hulk (which was as close as he ever got to the dimwitted yet verbal Hulk of the comics). He spent the majority of the 2-parter either half-transformed or fully transformed.
 
By the way, we were talking earlier in the thread about the early Hulk comics and how the nature and cause of the Hulk transformations evolved, so when I happened across Essential Hulk Vol. 1 at the library, I decided to check it out.
Say, did you happen to catch any in-story references to "Robert Bruce Banner", in answer to an earlier question of yours?
 
Say, did you happen to catch any in-story references to "Robert Bruce Banner", in answer to an earlier question of yours?

Yeah, I think it was in the first Tales to Astonish story, which would've been shortly after the Fantastic Four story where he was called Bob Banner by mistake. So they patched it pretty early, probably in response to some attentive letter-writers. (I wonder if they got a No-Prize?)
 
The subject seems to be touched upon a number of places online, but I dug out my DVD-ROM to get to the bottom of things myself.

It was in the letters page of FF #28 (cover date July 1964), as a blurb in the Special Announcements Section, which I think was a regular feature in those days, at least in the FF's letters page...in fact, I think that Bullpen Bulletins grew out of that section, but that's another story. So it wasn't in response to a specific letter, and no No-Prize was involved:

Stan the Man said:
If YOU make a boo-boo, nobody's apt to know it except your own friends--but when we fall on our faces, WOWEE! The whole world knows what lunkheads we are! And we really came out with another mighty Marvel clinker again! In F.F. #25, featuring the first part of the now-famous THING-HULK battle, we show the Hulk in his normal identity, as scientist Bruce Banner. But do we CALL him "Bruce"? Oh no! That would be too simple! In front of a quarter of a million fans, we call him "BOB" all over the place!! And, to make things worse, we made the SAME mistake a few issues BEFORE that--and just got thru apologizing for it! Well, there's only one thing to do--we're gonna take the cowardly way out. From now on his name is ROBERT BRUCE BANNER--so we can't go wrong no matter WHAT we call him! (Unless it comes out "Seymour"!)

I'm not sure what he meant by having made the same mistake a few issues before. He may have also made it in an issue of Avengers (#3?), but I'd have to do more digging for that.

Regardless of that, there were no attempts to retcon in an explanation for the goof they made in Avengers #2, when Rick Jones identified the Hulk's alter ego as Donald Blake!
 
Regardless of that, there were no attempts to retcon in an explanation for the goof they made in Avengers #2, when Rick Jones identified the Hulk's alter ego as Donald Blake!
There's clearly an alternate What If..? world where Don Blake was blasted by gamma rays and Bruce Banner found the hammer of Thor. And Johnny Storm is Spider-Man.
 
There's clearly an alternate What If..? world where Don Blake was blasted by gamma rays and Bruce Banner found the hammer of Thor. And Johnny Storm is Spider-Man.

No, Johnny Storm is Captain America. And Hannibal King is Deadpool, after a brief stint as a Green Lantern. And Matt Murdock is now Batman. And Clark Kent is the Atom.
 
The Incredible Hulk
"747"
Originally aired Apr. 7, 1978

I remember this being one of first regular episodes that I saw, tuning in mid-episode around the time of the first Hulk-Out...though given the timing of when I remember starting to watch the show, it was probably a rerun at the time.

Well, the trip being from San Francisco to Chicago doesn't fit in with my earlier speculation that this might have been his trip to California. Instead, in either airdate or production order (if that list that I mentioned upthread accurately represents the latter), this seems to take place after David's openly California adventures. For a homeless bum, he sure gets from one end of the country to the other easily...but at least winding up in Denver puts him within credible distance of Las Vegas for the next episode.

I guess that this week's installment qualifies as another kinda-sorta cure-related episode. This makes me less inclined to count episodes that barely touch upon some cure-related activity that isn't seen through, but if we counted the last one, we have to count this one....

Of all the David B. aliases on the show, this week's is the David Brown-est.

In true TV protagonist fashion, David is proving to be quite the trouble magnet--He can't even get on a random flight without there being some malicious scheme in the works for him to stumble upon. Undercover doctor angle? Check. And as usual, David snoops a little too directly, though he couldn't have known that Phil the pilot was one of the conspirators.

"Stephanie" might have made a good Jean Grey if adapting the X-Men to live action had been on anyone's radar at the time.

I sensed an early Hulk-Out coming when Phil took David into the cargo hold: -28:21 is the earliest first Hulk-Out that wasn't pre-episode since "The Final Round".

So if last weeks's Saturday Night Fever cameo wasn't enough to tell you that this show was being made in the late '70s, this week features another pop culture phenomenon of the time, now as part of the main plot:

www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/king-tut/n8663

The Hulk not causing more of a ruckus on the plane in his first appearance stretches credibility considerably...but to borrow a phrase from another popular superhero show, the worst is yet to come!

This just might be the most unintentionally humorous episode of the series...partly because of the absurd circumstances of the Hulk-Outs, but mainly because it draws upon so many of the same airplane disaster movie beats that would soon be immortalized in a classic parody film that I don't think I need to name. From the annoyingly chatty seatmates, to the attempt to discretely find a qualified pilot, to the grizzled old pilot trying to talk David through a landing and having his vocal moment of doubt about their chances, to the plane overshooting its mark while landing....I was LOL'ing at the alternate versions of those scenes that were playing in my mind.

Second Hulk-Out: -7:56...not the earliest, but earlier than most so far, making a little more room for the extended transformation and landing of the plane. This Hulk-Out isn't handled too badly at first...David is clearly struggling not to complete the transformation while the plane is still in the air, emphasized by the guy who wanted to lock the Shat up for 200 years repeatedly telling him to "stay in control"...but again, once he is fully transformed, it's definitely pushing things that he stays in his seat and actually sees the landing through! (He even finds the time to flex one arm's muscles even though he's supposed to be struggling with the yoke the entire time!) This episode definitely supports the notion that the Hulk's actions are primarily motivated by whatever Banner was trying to accomplish when he changed.

There's also handwaving aplenty in this installment. First David manages to conjure up some well-fitting clothes in the cargo hold between scenes...then we add as many as three characters to the list of people who know that David turns into the Hulk, though they don't learn who he really is: Kevin, Denise, and one would have to assume Phil after he comes to, though his bump on the noggin could have caused amnesia if the story had felt the need to get into that detail at all. But very conveniently, the episode is completely McGee-less, so the issue of several people knowing that there's a guy who turns into the Hulk isn't followed up on. One has to wonder if this wasn't one of the reasons that they did "Mystery Man"...not just to specifically inform McGee's pursuit, but also to give the writers a little more freedom to have guest characters witness Hulk-Outs.

In the meantime, though, McGee remains ignorant, and David is free to continue his wanderings while once again sporting his spiffy pea coat. (And just how the hell did he ever manage to get back his duffel bag this time...?)
 
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The Old Mixer: I will check on the other locations used for the series. For a start, I do know the Los Angeles Coliseum is another notable location coming up.

"747"
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Cure search alert: The episode continues Banner's (or David Brown) determination to find a treatment for his problem. While in San Francisco, he contacts the Chicago Neurology Research Clinic in search of a Dr. Sanford Charles. Banner is interested in his work on gamma rays and neuropsychology to address what he describes as "a highly unusual synaptic dysfunction which occurs sporadically." Imagine if Dr. Charles witnessed Banner's real problem face to face.

Its not a surprise that the episode ends with Banner never meeting the doctor, ending the story in Denver.

BTW, "Sanford Charles" was likely a Universal in-joke play on Charles Watson Sanford, who was a second assistant director on Universal's Battlestar Galactica later that year.

The 4th wall is almost broken when the stewardess says to David, "I'm glad I saw you. I wouldn't want to make you angry at out airlines," which inspires a knowing look from David.

I take it Banner does not drink coffee(?), hence his avoiding the drugs.

Once again, we see recycled pilot footage (black background) of the Hulk transforming back to Banner, which should have been avoided, as the first stage Hulk/Ferrigno make up had changed to a noticeable degree by the time this episode was produced.

Still early in the series, Banner has some control over his transformation, as he fought to retain his Banner side and fly the plane. We also see the Hulk can take rudimentary directions if he's not agitated.

Overall, the plot is a mix of borrowing from the disaster movie genre (multiple stories/conflicts on a passenger vehicle/location in danger), and the then-teased thrill of seeing Banner Hulk out on a plane.

The Columbia airplane flight scenes were recycled footage from the movie Airport '75 (Universal, 1974), and would not be the last time TIH borrowed from the work of others, as we will see two episodes later in "Never Give A Trucker an Even Break."

By 1978, the disaster movie format's glory days were years in the past, with its biggest champion--Irwin Allen--reaching the height of the genre with 1974's The Towering Inferno. While such films retained some popularity once making the transition to TV reruns, the genre was out of gas on the big screen, so it is rather odd TIH used the format to frame this episode.

Another cash-in was the plot of stealing ancient Egyptian artifacts--undoubtedly inspired by the wildly successful tour of Tutankhamun's relics (The Treasures of Tutankhamun) during the mid-late 1970s.

Obviously, one of the big draws of "747" was the guest appearance of Brandon Cruz (Kevin), Bixby's former co-star on the beloved TV adaptation of the film, The Courtship of Eddie's Father (ABC, 1969-72).

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Bixby and Cruz--from most available accounts--not only got along famously while making The Courtship of Eddie's Father, but held fond feelings for each other for the rest of Bixby's life.

The following is from a 1989 segment of The Arsenio Hall Show, where Cruz acts as mystery guest during the interview with Bixby--

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I will check on the other locations used for the series. For a start, I do know the Los Angeles Coliseum is another notable location coming up.
I think we could rule out L.A. locations, as those are obvious...more like taking the crew to New York for the Hulk running through Times Square sort of stuff.

By 1978, the disaster movie format's glory days were years in the past, with its biggest champion--Irwin Allen--reaching the height of the genre with 1974's The Towering Inferno. While such films retained some popularity once making the transition to TV reruns, the genre was out of gas on the big screen, so it is rather odd TIH used the format to frame this episode.
Not really, as the Airport series, which you mentioned, was keeping airplane disaster tropes in the spotlight through the late '70s...enough to also inspire a certain parody film that I mentioned in my post.

Bixby and Cruz--from most available accounts--not only got along famously while making The Courtship of Eddie's Father, but held fond feelings for each other for the rest of Bixby's life.
I don't remember which ones they were, but while looking up something relating to one of the previous episodes, I came across a reference to a couple of his TIH guest stars saying that Bixby was their favorite actor to work with.
 
By the way, I've always been tickled that the opening narration for The Incredible Hulk described David's change as "a startling metamorphosis." I found it an interesting choice of adjectives, "startling" instead of something more like "shocking" or "terrifying" or something. But when I was reading that collection of early Hulk comics last week, I noticed that Stan Lee's narration did use the word "startling" a couple of times to describe the transformation and/or the Hulk himself, though never the actual phrase "startling metamorphosis." But it's, err, a bit startling, because generally this show strove to stay as far as possible from Stan Lee's approach to writing the Hulk.

The Incredible Hulk
"747"
Originally aired Apr. 7, 1978

The first of three Hulk episodes by Thomas Szollosi and Richard Christian Matheson. The latter is the son of the great fantasy/SF author Richard Matheson and the older brother of Bill & Ted co-creator Chris Matheson. I thought he was Chris Matheson until I checked IMDb just now.

Pretty much a by-the-numbers airplane disaster story, but it's an interestingly odd situation to put the Hulk into. Maybe a bit too odd, since it's pretty contrived how they manage to pull it off, rather than having the Hulk smash the controls and accidentally kill everyone on the jet, which was the far more likely outcome.

When Mr. Leggit was saying "You have to believe me, there's a creature on the plane," I found myself lamenting that they didn't cast William Shatner in the role. In the earlier comedy bit where he opened the door, saw the Hulk, and closed it again, I was hoping that the second time he opened it, David would be on the other side. But I guess the reverse metamorphosis takes too long. Would've been funny, though, and neat if they'd done it in one continuous shot.


Well, the trip being from San Francisco to Chicago doesn't fit in with my earlier speculation that this might have been his trip to California. Instead, in either airdate or production order (if that list that I mentioned upthread accurately represents the latter), this seems to take place after David's openly California adventures. For a homeless bum, he sure gets from one end of the country to the other easily...but at least winding up in Denver puts him within credible distance of Las Vegas for the next episode.

I think we have to give up on any kind of logical order to David's travels. And I'm sure that the doctor's return in three months will never get a followup, although it would've been nice if it had.


"Stephanie" might have made a good Jean Grey if adapting the X-Men to live action had been on anyone's radar at the time.

I dunno, I tend to think of Sondra Currie as specializing in villain roles, although that's probably based mainly on this and her RoboCop: The Series appearance. I've always been more partial to the other flight attendant here, Denise Galik.


This just might be the most unintentionally humorous episode of the series...partly because of the absurd circumstances of the Hulk-Outs, but mainly because it draws upon so many of the same airplane disaster movie beats that would soon be immortalized in a classic parody film that I don't think I need to name. From the annoyingly chatty seatmates, to the attempt to discretely find a qualified pilot, to the grizzled old pilot trying to talk David through a landing and having his vocal moment of doubt about their chances, to the plane overshooting its mark while landing....I was LOL'ing at the alternate versions of those scenes that were playing in my mind.

Which, of course, is because these were standard tropes of the actual movies that Airplane! was sending up. That movie pretty much ruined them as serious plot devices forever, although they were pretty played out anyway.


...but again, once he is fully transformed, it's definitely pushing things that he stays in his seat and actually sees the landing through! (He even finds the time to flex one arm's muscles even though he's supposed to be struggling with the yoke the entire time!) This episode definitely supports the notion that the Hulk's actions are primarily motivated by whatever Banner was trying to accomplish when he changed.

Actually the Hulk seemed pretty confused and didn't know what to do, needing Kevin to point him toward the right controls. Nice trapped/bewildered acting from Ferrigno. Like, "Where the hell did I wake up?"

...then we add as many as three characters to the list of people who know that David turns into the Hulk, though they don't learn who he really is: Kevin, Denise, and one would have to assume Phil after he comes to, though his bump on the noggin could have caused amnesia if the story had felt the need to get into that detail at all.

Well, Kevin overtly said "Who are you? Where's David?" So he may know jets, but he's not that bright otherwise. And Denise was probably too confused and frightened to realize where the creature came from. Honestly, the authorities might chalk the whole thing up to mass hysteria. (Come to think of it, there probably would be a lot of imagined Hulk sightings once the idea of the Hulk got into the public consciousness through the tabloids. McGee probably wasted a lot of time chasing after false leads.)


TREK_GOD_1 said:
I take it Banner does not drink coffee(?), hence his avoiding the drugs.

No, only the two coffee cups meant for the pilot and navigator were drugged. Mr. MacIntire took the cup meant for the navigator while Stephanie was distracted.

MacIntire, by the way, was played by Don Keefer, the Mission Control director from TOS: "Assignment: Earth." Between him and Ed Peck, that's two people in this episode who were in Star Trek episodes set in the 1960s.

The Columbia airplane flight scenes were recycled footage from the movie Airport '75 (Universal, 1974), and would not be the last time TIH borrowed from the work of others, as we will see two episodes later in "Never Give A Trucker an Even Break."

Also "Earthquakes Happen."

I figured that footage must've been from a movie, but I didn't know which one. By the way, at about 12:00 before the end, I noticed a shot where there was a small chase plane (military jet?) visible on the far right of the screen, just briefly before it disappears behind the 747's tail fin. I wonder if that aircraft was part of the plot of the movie, or just a camera plane that got into the shot by accident. Either way, it wasn't supposed to be part of this story.

Anyway, the fact that it was written around footage from that movie helps explain why it's so formulaic, and why it's an awkward story to shoehorn the Hulk into.
 
Not really, as the Airport series, which you mentioned, was keeping airplane disaster tropes in the spotlight through the late '70s...enough to also inspire a certain parody film that I mentioned in my post.

I said by 1978, the disaster genre glory days were in the past; the last attention grabbing blockbuster of that genre was The Towering Inferno in 1974 .The Airport series' final, post '78 entry--The Concorde: Airport '79 (Universal, 1979) saw its earnings take a dramatic dip, making less than its production budget--a fate shared by Allen's The Swarm (Warner Bros, 1978).


I don't remember which ones they were, but while looking up something relating to one of the previous episodes, I came across a reference to a couple of his TIH guest stars saying that Bixby was their favorite actor to work with.

I've heard that from various sources; Bixby seemed to be one of the rare class actors who did not beat his co-stars over the head with vanity.
 
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