Could Gene's vision coexist with DS9

[VulcanMindBlown]

First of all, I am not bashing DS9, but it seems like the character conflict on the show was very different from TOS and the early TNG days. I still love DS9, but I'm trying to make sense of the universe it was in. Sure, things were hard there, but not everywhere else?

 

[BillJ]

While DS9 isn't my thing, I don't think it ever conflicted with "Gene's Vision". Though its worldview is probably more in line with TOS than TNG.

 

[MacLeod]

Surely it did coexist, sure the UFP might be a virtual Utopia but that doesn't mean everywhere else is.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

For me, DS9 has the most 'real' feel of any of the Trek's. The characters were far more relatable than the holier-than-thou sort we got on TNG. Sisko has a few lines about how things in their neck of the woods aren't like Earth where being a 'saint' is easier when in paradise, but out on the fringes, where people are just trying to scrape by then things are a lot different. Things are dirtier and more subtle shades of grey.

 

[Kor]

Surely it did coexist, sure the UFP might be a virtual Utopia but that doesn't mean everywhere else is.

Exactly.

And Gene's "vision" was a load of hooey, anyway. It was some self-important philosophy he came up with years after the fact of the original Star Trek, and started promoting on the convention circuit, even though it had nothing to do with Trek in the first place.

Kor

 

[benjaminh]

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[Nerys Myk]

Which version of Gene's Vision are we talking about?

 

[STEPhon IT]

Which version of Gene's Vision are we talking about?

Exactly.

 

[Tosk]

First of all, I am not bashing DS9, but it seems like the character conflict on the show was very different from TOS

Really, in what way?

 

[hux]

DS9 showed that Trek could be more than just the optimistic bright colours and sterilsed utopia. It could expand into other, dirtier directions. Frankly, that was necessary and doing it on a faraway space station meant you could maintain the bright, sterilsed utopia back on Earth just as Sisko described it. No contradiction there.

The only real contradiction was the economy stuff and all those human beings slogging their guts out in jobs or on planets that previous Trek said they didn't have to do. But it was a small price to pay to push the franchise in a new and interesting direction. You can't stand still with this stuff. Something the new show will hopefully embrace.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Co-exist? Most definitely. DS9 slightly rolled back many of the peculiarities of 24th century society that Roddenberry introduced in TNG, but never really explored. In that way, there could be more exploration about how they could be achieved and how difficult it would be.

 

[SPCTRE]

"The one thing I never want to see is lens flares" - Gene

 

[BillJ]

"The one thing I never want to see is lens flares" - Gene

I think if you told Gene how many millions he could make with lens flares, he'd be on board.

Though TMP had some lens flares.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I view DS9 as a critical essay on Gene's utopia.

 

[Griffeytrek]

First of all, I am not bashing DS9, but it seems like the character conflict on the show was very different from TOS and the early TNG days. I still love DS9, but I'm trying to make sense of the universe it was in. Sure, things were hard there, but not everywhere else?

Actually DS9 was extremely in character with TOS. There was no real paradise in Kirk's era. Yes they were explorers. But they were also tasked in service to military security and realpolitik. It was a positive vision of the future. But not an ungrounded one.

The more pacifist happy hippy commie utopia Star Trek didn't put in an appearance until TNG. Which yes much of DS9 was a direct critical answer to. Largely by pointing out that you can't escape economics with fairy dust. Some way in some form the bill comes due.

 

[Longinus]

I love TNG's commie utopia and I think in some respects DS9 went too far in undermining it, Section 31 stuff in particular was disgusting and had no place in the Federation. Then again, less stoic characters with some tensions between them was certainly welcome.

 

[STEPhon IT]

When I saw Star Trek, the uniforms were perfect, the Enterprise was perfect, the sets were beautiful to me. The world was utopian, the world I live in doesn't look like that at all. Happy hippie commie Utopia was a dream a lot people had; and a reflection of the times in the mid to late 1960's. But some thinks it started during the Reagan era??? Wow.

 

[STEPhon IT]

DS9, even the seasons I loved, were never in character with Star Trek 1966, but it was more in line with Harve Bennett's movie verse; something Roddenberry had little to no involvement in. TOS was paradise, while the movies, II - VIII, were not.

 

[Kor]

TOS was critical of the "happy hippie commie utopia" idea. See The Way to Eden.

Kor

 

[T'Girl]

Which version of Gene's Vision are we talking about?

The one where Troi is a four breasted hermaphrodite.

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