There are many people that have a tough time rectifying the 1701 and 1701-refit as the same ship. The technology of The Motion Picture universe makes it feel completely disconnected from TOS.
What is the age of the Enterprise (NCC-1701)?
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There are many people that have a tough time rectifying the 1701 and 1701-refit as the same ship. The technology of The Motion Picture universe makes it feel completely disconnected from TOS.
But they have the same registry. And the same name. So they are the same ship.
The Bonaventure thing was a complete mistake and shows the level of accuracy they cared about, nothing in it should be taken as fact.
I'll stand by the head of SFI knowing how old the most important ship in the fleet is and the fact that her entire command staff, including a man with a worryingly bad clinical obsession with the vessel (or two if you count Scott) acted as though the accessment of her age was correct or as close to as to not say a word out of place.
I'll stand by the head of SFI knowing how old the most important ship in the fleet is and the fact that her entire command staff, including a man with a worryingly bad clinical obsession with the vessel (or two if you count Scott) acted as though the accessment of her age was correct or as close to as to not say a word out of place.
It turns out I misspoke, OOPS. 
It was actually Admiral Bennett of Starfleet JAG, not Ross.
Every other reference to the Eugenics Wars from TOS, TWOK and ENT places them in the late twentieth century, not the twenty-second century.
So Bennett just had a brainfart and misspoke.
Kor
It was actually Admiral Bennett of Starfleet JAG, not Ross.Every other reference to the Eugenics Wars from TOS, TWOK and ENT places them in the late twentieth century, not the twenty-second century.
So Bennett just had a brainfart and misspoke.
Kor
Only because they tell you that. TMP comes off as a reboot of TOS.
Well I don't have the faith in senior officers you do.
We deserve to be told these details. And to have Admirals speak facts!
It is a reboot.
Why would anyone have a "brainfart"?It turns out I misspoke, OOPS.
Every other reference to the Eugenics Wars from TOS, TWOK and ENT places them in the late twentieth century, not the twenty-second century.
So Bennett just had a brainfart and misspoke.
Kor
Hmm, I dunno. Why do people have them all the time in real life, like earlier when I thought that dialog was spoken by Admiral Ross instead of Admiral Bennett?
And, to be precise, "The Counter-Clock Incident" did not say the Enterprise was the first ship with warp drive.
Sarah April said she was "the first medical officer aboard a ship equipped with warp drive."
There had to have been some experimental ship or ships with warp drive beforehand, to get the whole system perfected before installing it on active-duty ships such as the Enterprise. The earlier warp ships just didn't have medical officers. Maybe any medical staff were enlisted and not officers. The Bonaventure was obviously from that generation of ships.
Kor
I'm a bit confused. If you're going to pick over minutiae, you probably need to stick to the generally accepted rules of what canon actually is. It's not included the FASA or Franz Joseph stuff since at least 1987 when TNG came along and invalidated virtually all of it.
So, you need to be a bit more creative and think why Morrow would have said something which appears wrong.
- He made a mistake. To err is human. Even for a highly intelligent and trained admiral.
- He is correct.
Too many "if's" for my liking. And none of this, if two is correct, were ever said in canon (which you care so much about).
It's never disproved in canon, but what very much is canon is Morrow saying the Enterprise is twenty years old in 2285.
Why do you think he says it?
What canon supports what he said? On Memory Alpha, it is said that "The Cage" occured in the 2250s (in the article on Starfleet uniforms), even in 2259, the Enterprise (as depicted in canon) would be 26 years old. That is more than 20. Just using the voyage of Captain Pike. No April.
Besides, even if no canon contradicts what he said, no canon supports it and we have the same registry + name and by logic and the scientific method, we have to assume it is the same ship.
No, we don't. You already said you thought TMP was a reboot. If that's the case, then there may have been no Robert April or Christopher Pike in this timeline, and Kirk's Enterprise simply launched in 2265 as a new ship.
"First" in retrospect apparently meaning she was the primary medical officer aboard a warp-capable ship, a statement emphasizing the thrilling scope of such an assignment as opposed to being the primary medical officer in a stationary hospital.
There's lots of writer disinterest or in- or miscomprehension around. But not all that much contradiction. Nothing wrong with NCC-1701 being launched in 2245 and getting zero-houred around 2270, thus being almost 20 years old in 2285 or thereabouts. In fact, the ship may have been zero-houred once or twice before already, if "being almost 20 years old" is something Starfleet balks at!
As for five-year missions, those are a completely noncanonical concept, apart from a brief suggestion in the parallel reality of ST:ID. We know of Kirk's "five years out there" from TMP dialogue, but that's just Kirk's personal portfolio. Nothing suggests Pike would have performed five-year missions or indeed X-year missions for any value of X, or that April would. Something more realistic like Picard's (again noncanonical, opening-credits-only-and-those-aren't-real-or-else-Picard/Kirk-is-an-impostor-named-Stewart/Shatner) "ongoing" mission would be likelier, and would set no limitations whatsoever on the timeline.
Timo Saloniemi
What would have that mattered?
KIRK: "Actually sir, she's forty years old."
MORROW: "Oh really? That's twice as old as thought... Well I guess we don't mothball her then!"
Yes, but if we go by the commonly accepted dates of the films, the refit was only twelve years ago.
The fact that she was refitted means she is fit for duty; no decommissioning needed, forty years, or twenty.
Yes, it may not matter, but in many cases I care about
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