^Justice League: Part One is next year...the only solo movie before it is Wonder Woman, also next year.
Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion
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I doubt it. DC have potential going forward, Marvel have already succeeded, hugely and repeatedly.
DC have still got to address their 2nd tier, unfamiliar or 'crap' characters, such as Martian Manhunter, Hawkman etc. Marvel have already navigated this hurdle as that's pretty much all they had the rights to, and they've spun these into a mega franchise.
I know which one I'd rather be.
Based on the scene we had -- a shot up LexCorp building, Lex walking in and finding the Batarang -- I doubt there was an actual heist sequence, because showing Batman going into LexCorp guns a-blazin' and taking the Kryptonite would remove the surprise the audience feels when they discover that Batman has stolen it when Lex finds the Batarang.
I've never really been a fan of Elfman's Batman theme. I much prefer Shirley Walker's Batman motif from the DC Animated Universe. I even like Elliot Goldenthal's theme from the Schumacher movies better than Elfman's.
I actually quite liked Hans Zimmer's Superman theme from MoS, though unfortunately it was only used in the end credits. It had the sense of upbeat heroism that the movie generally lacked. (Although my favorite of the many Superman themes is Jay Gruska's from Lois & Clark.)
The difference being that those characters were alternate counterparts, so it's not like the characters were being permanently removed from the series.
Also, why mention Ron Moore? He didn't write any of DS9's Mirror Universe episodes. "Crossover" was by Peter Allan Fields & Michael Piller, and the rest of the episodes were written or conceived by Ira Steven Behr and his writing partners (Robert Hewitt Wolfe for "Through the Looking Glass" and Hans Beimler for the subsequent ones, though Michael Taylor got sole credit for "Resurrection").
Mmm, I think it makes most sense to watch that one in release order, right before The Avengers, which it dovetails into at the end. There are things that are hinted at in earlier films and paid off in CA:TFA, like Howard Stark, the supersoldier program (established in The Incredible Hulk), and Asgard and alien technology. The opening with Schmidt finding the Tesseract in ruins linked to Norse myth makes more sense if you watch it after Thor.
Yeah, the Avengers really went all in on the mindset that everyone fights together and contributes to taking down the bad guys, but it's silly for the reason you stated. This continued with AoU giving Quicksilver the power to demolish robots at super-speed even though he should be crushing his body parts by doing that. And that made his film powers inconsistent because we see that he can be shot at high speed. But he had to be part of the big melee just like everyone else, they couldn't just accept that his power was in a different area or use it more intelligently.
Batman: TAS opened with a few notes quite similar to Elfman's theme, and a few of the early episodes used similar cues on occaision.... they aren't dissimilar, and I can't argue with the AU having great music. Its Superman theme was pretty damn good, too. Still, I must definitely disagree, and feel that the Elfman theme is by far the most iconic. Those first 5 notes (that TAS also uses) are just iconicly Batman to me.
Agreed. Plus the movie is kind of like a big flashback, anyway. The framing devices are set during the present day, and don't make a whole lot of sense unless you're already familiar with Nick Fury and SHIELD.
It was a little confusing to me that the shots of a smashed up (with flames burning still) LexCorp building came directly after the scene where the Capitol building is bombed.
<<“There’s a real disconnect with what some critics wrote and how the fans are enjoying the film,” said Jeff Goldstein, Warner Bros. distribution executive vice president. “It doesn’t take itself seriously. It’s just an enjoyable afternoon at the movies.”>>
BVS doesn't take itself seriously?! REALLY???
BVS doesn't take itself seriously?! REALLY???
Nothing "coasts" to nearly half a billion dollars on worldwide opening - sorry.
The reports so far are that repeat business is unusually high.
People who dislike something can dislike it a lot and be willing to assert that they dislike it for reasons, and yet other people will like it and support it anyway. Go figure.
The reports so far are that repeat business is unusually high.
People who dislike something can dislike it a lot and be willing to assert that they dislike it for reasons, and yet other people will like it and support it anyway. Go figure.
Actually the main title music of B:TAS was an arrangement of Elfman's theme, which was also used within the score of the first two or three episodes produced. So it wasn't just similar, it was the exact same theme. But I'm talking about the different Batman theme that Shirley Walker used within the episode scores throughout the series, which was also used in the main title theme of the Adventures of Batman and Robin season and in the main title theme of Mask of the Phantasm.
It wasn't terrible.
It wasn't good.
And it was yet another example of a writer/filmmaker not understanding the essence of either character.
Both Batman and Superman came off as dicks and I found myself not really rooting for either of them. A slightly less grim Batfleck in a movie introducing Wonder Woman (through her civilian disguise), Kryptonite and the other Metahumans with Superman as an ancillary element to the A-plot would have made a better intro to this expanded universe. Nothing in this movie felt like it had been earned. They had boxes to check and, by god, those boxes would be checked.
I still don't get Luther's plan. He seemed to be throwing everything at the wall to see what would stick instead of having a bunch of seemingly disjointed plots that all came together into a brilliant plan.
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It wasn't good.
And it was yet another example of a writer/filmmaker not understanding the essence of either character.
Both Batman and Superman came off as dicks and I found myself not really rooting for either of them. A slightly less grim Batfleck in a movie introducing Wonder Woman (through her civilian disguise), Kryptonite and the other Metahumans with Superman as an ancillary element to the A-plot would have made a better intro to this expanded universe. Nothing in this movie felt like it had been earned. They had boxes to check and, by god, those boxes would be checked.
I still don't get Luther's plan. He seemed to be throwing everything at the wall to see what would stick instead of having a bunch of seemingly disjointed plots that all came together into a brilliant plan.
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It's interesting how often I've heard that same phrase in reviews of both MoS and BvS -- that their plot beats weren't "earned." I can't recall hearing that said very often about anything else, but it's a frequent refrain in reviews of Synder's Superman films, and one that I definitely agreed with where MoS was concerned. I was struck by how much consensus there was in the MoS reviews -- while some liked it more than others, the criticisms that different people offered were remarkably consistent in what specifically didn't work and why. I think I'm seeing much the same pattern here, though with a bit more variation on at least some issues.
The statement definitely cements everything I thought about the experiences I had during The Force Awakens and this dreck of a movie. I asked an enthusiastic guy sitting next to me after BvS, "What was the movie about, did anything you saw made any sense???" His answer... "Does it matter?"
It's all about the roller coaster ride; the more destruction, death, and hyper kinetic violence there is, it's satisfying. I mean, people have to go see the movie just to see how bad it is.