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The Mirror Universe Does not exist

I don't think the intention with that scene was to show that it was the "start" of the Mirror universe... rather just that Cochrane was already "evil" and this was just the "mirror" version of an event we were already familiar with. The implication from the opening montage is that the Mirror universe existed long before that opening scene.



Imagine it... a million different mirror universes... all with a million different non-mirror Kirks crossing over. The conceit of these parallel universes in Trek is that similar things generally happen in them, so why not this, too?



And actually, they *did* have a cloak in the MU in "Crossover", but didn't by "The Emperor's New Cloak". So, retcon? Or slightly different MU?



Do you recall if this was definitely something you read online? Or is it possible it's from one of those "Best of Trek" compilations, or something like that?
I agree that it is a different Mirror Universe, as I indicated earlier. And to your first point, I really don't care what the point of the scene was, only what it depicts.
 
@PhaserLightShow, the problem with ST:FC being the divergence point is that "In A Mirror, Darkly" had a scene where MU versions of Phlox and Hoshi discuss the differences in certain literary works (such as Shakespeare) between the two universes. So the divergence must have happened centuries ago.

And of course there's that bit in the IAMD credits where an astronaut plants the Imperial flag on the Moon...
 
Is this it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/DaystromIn...oposal_the_events_of_mirror_mirror_represent/

(And I know this one isn't the one you were looking for, but I found it while searching, and thought it was interesting...

http://uncommongeek.com/2014/07/26/how-bones-created-the-mirror-universe-a-star-trek-scenario/
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I think that is it. Thank you.

Interesting article about McCoy's 'possible' part in it told in detail. I honestly hadn't heard that until this thread.
 
Killing the bum, that's what did it! Seriously, I've always believed in the possibility of multiple mirror universes, including one where the Terran Empire never fell (Dark Mirror), one where Mirror Spock dismissed Kirks speech (comics), one where lotsa kinky stuff happens (Dark Passions). Multiple crossovers also required.
 
The biggest stretch with the mirror universe has always been how the exact sane people could possibly have been born and ending up in comparable positions as in the prime universe with so vastly different histories.
It makes the main characters the fixed points in time and space of that universe with everything turning around them.
 
Nero has no fricken idea where he is when he gets to 2330-something thinking that a nonexistent federation needs to be taken down a peg.

This makes me smile as I read a fanfic where Nero ends up in the 'wrong' universe where Spock is female and Uhura is male and some of his crew mutiny when they realise they killed the wrong Vulcan planet and are dealing with the 'wrong' Spock :rommie:
 
Killing the bum, that's what did it! Seriously, I've always believed in the possibility of multiple mirror universes, including one where the Terran Empire never fell (Dark Mirror), one where Mirror Spock dismissed Kirks speech (comics), one where lotsa kinky stuff happens (Dark Passions). Multiple crossovers also required.
I like the idea of a Mirror universe ruled by Vulcans, Solkar shows up and says to Zephram 'surrender or die its only logical'
 
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Okay. The original observation that the mirror universe is incredibly implausible is of course correct (and the reason I have never been able to take the mirror episodes seriously), but the following conclusions are nonsense. The mechanism proposed for the creation of the mirror universe is vague in extreme and doesn't really explain anything. Furthermore, if the mirror universe in DS9 is that same universe created hundred years earlier, all the same criticism the writer had towards the forever existing mirror universe applies to this future of their theorised mirror universe. And then there's the Ent version of MU which somehow existed hundred years before it was created...
 
Killing the bum, that's what did it! Seriously, I've always believed in the possibility of multiple mirror universes, including one where the Terran Empire never fell (Dark Mirror), one where Mirror Spock dismissed Kirks speech (comics), one where lotsa kinky stuff happens (Dark Passions). Multiple crossovers also required.
Thanks, @E-DUB
 
The biggest stretch with the mirror universe has always been how the exact sane people could possibly have been born and ending up in comparable positions as in the prime universe with so vastly different histories.
It makes the main characters the fixed points in time and space of that universe with everything turning around them.
By DS9 that had changed, Kira is bisexual, Garak is not a tailor and Worf is a big shot in the Klingon Empire
 
The biggest stretch with the mirror universe has always been how the exact sane people could possibly have been born and ending up in comparable positions as in the prime universe with so vastly different histories.
It makes the main characters the fixed points in time and space of that universe with everything turning around them.

Currents, eddies and backwash of time sweep the characters to the same general places in the universe, per what Spock said in CotEoF.

Kor
 
If Quantum Mechanics are correct, there is an infinite amount of Mirror Universes. It is almost impossible that it is the same MU in DS9 as in TOS
 
The biggest stretch with the mirror universe has always been how the exact sane people could possibly have been born and ending up in comparable positions as in the prime universe with so vastly different histories.
It makes the main characters the fixed points in time and space of that universe with everything turning around them.
Also it happened in the reboot universe, except Chekov is born a few years earlier, and Kirk and Bones eyes change colour
 
By DS9 that had changed, Kira is bisexual, Garak is not a tailor and Worf is a big shot in the Klingon Empire

But the fact that the same characters exist at all is still implausible, from a "real-word" perspective.

But as Uhura said, "This isn't reality, this is fantasy"! :D Just one of those things that it's best just to suspend your disbelief for.
 
By DS9 that had changed, Kira is bisexual, Garak is not a tailor and Worf is a big shot in the Klingon Empire
Speaking of Worf...
I wonder what he was like in the universe from "Yesterday's Enterprise" where the Enterprise-C survived via the temporal rift and the Federation and Klingons are at war. Probably similar to what he is in the Deep Space 9 Mirror Universe (a Klingon warlord).
 
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