Beltran to play Chak in the next Renegades

[Guy Gardener]

If you can put up me, you are awesome at tolerating fools, but most of the time in the word, we need to be serious, to square off against the villains up to no good.

RAIN: And you, Tom Paris. Sexy, in a Howdy Doody sort of way. Pretty goofy, although sometimes I think you're the smartest man I've ever met. All this running around you do, your mission. You're so dedicated, you know? Like you care about something more than just your own little life.

Old people date the young to steal their youth.

5 years downstream is a good start, try for 10 years next.

Have you seen Mrs Columbo?

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Kate obviously suffers beneficially from progeria, because she's been acting like a 40 year old since 1979.

Tom is a goon half the time, but he did get his act together for Kes and B'Elanna... And Tom stuck it out with his "first" wife as she became (relatively) much, much, much more mature than Kathryn Janeway.

 

[Catarina]

No, but I've seen enough clips to agree on that, Guy.

edit: Pass. I don't want to be with a 23 year old. I just finally escaped that bracket. maybe when the 23 year olds become 33 year olds and I'm in my 40's, I can try that. :P

 

[Drone]

Well, although I am not a fan of Beltran (and Chakotay), I understand that the actor became less demanding in his choices because let us be honest, after having spent 7 years on STV (and have made noticed a lot by his criticisms), he didn't make much afterward, right?!. Furthermore, he is a head of the family with 2 mouths to be fed and in this case, he has to accept whatever comes,even if he knows that it is bad.
.

True ... Man cannot live on pride, alone. Even with this ... this gig ... the Beltran family's going to have to continue living sensibly, to be sure. Printing out coupons from The Internet and so forth. Dining Out may have been the norm during Voyager's initial run, but you're quite right ... once Beltran left the show, his became a falling star. I can't explain what happened, there. I can only surmise that, as with so many other stars from this franchise, having been in STAR TREK held his career back. I happen to be a fan of the Chakotay character and find Beltran to be a capable actor.

Could be worse, could be a lot better. I give him props for his appearances on Big Love, though I don't believe things ended up well for his character IIRC!!! But, I think the more salient point, is that he does a lot of stage work, which I think is really his metier. Unfortunately, I don't have a listing of those to persent.





Resilient 3D
Dermot





Star Trek: Renegades
(TV Series 2016)
Chakotay (1 episode, 2016)





Free Birds
(2013)
Chief Massasoit (voice)





Water & Power
(2013)






Young Justice
(TV Series 2012)
Maurice Bodaway (1 episode, 2012)





Big Love
(TV Series 2009-2010)
Jerry Flute (11 episodes, 2009-2010)





Taking Chances
(2009)
Joseph Sleeping Bear





Repo Chick
(2009)
Aguas





Cry of the Winged Serpent
(TV Movie 2007)
Father Juan





Medium
(TV Series 2007)
Father Armando Avilar (1 episode, 2007)





Fire Serpent
(TV Movie 2007)
Cooke





Manticore
(TV Movie 2005)
Sgt. Baxter





Roddenberry on Patrol
(Video short 2003)
Shirtless Man



CSI: Miami
(TV Series 2003)
Judge Ojeda (1 episode, 2003)

 

[Catarina]

On youtube there is a video of one of his Shakespeare workshops. I didn't watch it all as it's boring to me but the funny part was when he was directing this young man and he saw what we all saw. His critique of the man's entrance was 'fruity'. (start again)
LOL you may want to watch some of it and see how he thinks and works.

 

[roseake]

It could be worse. A friends daughter was over last week watching tv. And there was Tim Russ in a recurring role in one of those godawful Nickelodeon/Disney Tween Sitcoms. I think actual porn might have been less demeaning and have higher quality writing.

I always liked Tim, I thought he played Tuvok well without just being another Vulcan and always got good vibes off him in con videos and interviews. I had a big trekkie tutor at college (he was a big-time creep too, but w/e) and he went to a con in London where Tim got up on stage with his band in the pub afterwards, played a few songs, chatted with the crowd etc.

And while going on Disney/Nickelodeon is kind of cringey, take a look at his IMDb: the man's been busy! He's had a healthy number of jobs every year since - lots of voice acting. I'm gonna have to keep an ear out for him in Fo4...

(Also, if you're referring to him on iCarly, my younger sister and I were HUGE fans of that show growing up )

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

New After 7 seasons, I still feel Chakotay didnt find his feet or teeth, as if the Voyager producers and writers always seemed to have difficulty figuring out what to do with him. Originally, he was the commander of a rebel crew which had to merge with the Starfleet crew in order to survive their first adventure. That potential source of conflict was largely ignored after the 1st season, why? (the Maquis angle would have made Chakoytay a bit of a swashbuckling man's man, bold with his own share of charms. But, he just wasn't). Mostly, he just sat next to Capt. Janeway and agreed with her decisions - and sometimes, he disobeyed her orders when he was in charge though NEVER sanctioned for it -.
And my guess is that the awkward romance with Seven was an attempt to give Robert Beltran some kind of character arc near the end of the series (besides, it seems that it is him who is formulated the strange idea -> for lack of having particularly shone in this role, he will have had at least the satisfaction to kiss Jeri Ryan).

Anyway, IMHO, Beltran was a little too wooden (=was/is a terrible actor.), a little too constrained by the depth of the writing for Chakotay.

Result: Almost nobody paid attention to Chakotay. Then, why it would change today?

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

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Kate obviously suffers beneficially from progeria, because she's been acting like a 40 year old since 1979..

Difficult to believe that she was only 22-23 years old!

 

[stardream]

. Originally, he was the commander of a rebel crew which had to merge with the Starfleet crew in order to survive their first adventure. That potential source of conflict was largely ignored after the 1st season, why?

UPN, the network, didn't like the idea of conflict between the crews so the idea was dropped. The writers were all for it.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

And it was a big mistake!
When opposite meet, it always makes sparks and here, everything is sorted out without too much difficulty in 2 episodes. Furthermore, this "agreement" required by Janeway was unrealistic: seriously, how can officers of Starfleet agree to work and still worse, to receive orders of members of the Maquis, considered as criminals by Starfleet and fought as such?! Besides, Voyager was initially sent to capture them, not to fraternize with them (and so quickly!).

And then, what was appealing with Janeway and Seven of Nine, in S4, was exactly their conflicting relationships. But there also, it didn't last for a very long time (maybe in S5).

I have the feeling that the producers and the writers have deliberately - or unconsciously - stubbled STV from the beginning, while there was so much of possibilities. It's rather surprising and frustrating because next to that, they have known taking some risks with the introduction of a hologram for doctor and aBorg (even if at first, she was human) on board.

Bah, we cannot redo the past but if it had to have a reboot as seeing as that is fashionable since a few years, I hope that the following producers/writers (and the broadcasting) will know how to not renew the same errors. Alright, I'm dreaming!

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

For those who would make me the remark, I did not forget that the members of the Maquis had also been concerned by the issue, I didn't forget that Chakotay, Torres and Cie came from Starfleet too, although the first one resigned and the second didn't end her military studies (fired?). We don't know the situation for others.
Anyway, the situation had to be also uncomfortable for them.
In fact, Janeway decided alone to integrate the members of the Maquis to his crew and Chakotay did the same on his side for him and his, in reintegrating Starfleet and its demanded military discipline (to avoid the brig for him and his, for a while indefinite). Of course, Torres being the opposite of Tuvok, she shows a certain reluctance to Chakotay's decision.

Again, later in seasons, the issue will be llightly handled then very quickly put under the carpet with Chakotay's punch followed by an order to do what was ordered (it was the episode in which some others members of Maquis followed an intense training under Tuvok's supervision).

 

[Lynx]

If you can put up me, you are awesome at tolerating fools, but most of the time in the word, we need to be serious, to square off against the villains up to no good.



Old people date the young to steal their youth.

5 years downstream is a good start, try for 10 years next.

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Kate obviously suffers beneficially from progeria, because she's been acting like a 40 year old since 1979.

Tom is a goon half the time, but he did get his act together for Kes and B'Elanna... And Tom stuck it out with his "first" wife as she became (relatively) much, much, much more mature than Kathryn Janeway.

Mrs. Kate Columbo is an ancestor to Kathryn Janeway.

 

[2takesfrakes]

Drone, you're absolutely right about Mr. Beltran's career mostly involving the stage. At the same time, this is not at all unusual for STAR TREK actors, especially during the Roddenberry/Berman years. Even James Earle Jones, whose name is so recognisable and world reknown is mostly a product of the Theatre, himself.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Drone, you're absolutely right about Mr. Beltran's career mostly involving the stage. At the same time, this is not at all unusual for STAR TREK actors, especially during the Roddenberry/Berman years. Even James Earle Jones, whose name is so recognisable and world reknown is mostly a product of the Theatre, himself.

Mulgrew, Picardo and Philipps (like Patrick Stewart & Avery Brooks too) are known for their commitment in stage. Didn't know for Beltran, I have to admit it.
Is he better on stage than in STV?
More seriously, I'm curious to see his performance in ST: Renegades for 2 reasons:: 1) to know what's up with this character (is he still an officer of Starfleet or did he become a renegade, like he was a member of Maquis?) 2) will Beltran's performance be more interesting than in STV.

.Love James Earle Jones performance whatever his roles (even when he makes only voices).

 

[2takesfrakes]

. Didn't know for Beltran, I have to admit it.
Is he better on stage than in STV?

More seriously, I'm curious to see his performance in ST: Renegades for 2 reasons:: 1) to know what's up with this character (is he still an officer of Starfleet or did he become a renegade, like he was a member of Maquis?) 2) will Beltran's performance be more interesting than in STV.

I'm confident that Beltran will end up with egg on his face, thanks to his starring in this fan film. But I like Beltran as an actor and find him to be quite capable. I am also a fan of the character of Chakotay -- and the reasons are two:

1st, because he's a natural leader and an effective XO.
And 2nd? Because he is a Man with deeply held, Spiritual beliefs.

As to whether these beliefs were presented in an appropriate manner is entirely up for debate. But the fact that a 24th Century Man from the STAR TREK franchise believes in higher levels of being is a worthy update to Gene Roddenberry's previous demands that Humans of the future have abandoned all Faith as baseless and primitive superstition. "There is more in Heaven & Earth, Horatio, than is dreamt of in your philosophy."

.Love James Earle Jones performance whatever his roles (even when he makes only voices).

.... Agreed!
In The Deed, Agreed!

 

[Drone]

Rules of Acquisition .... I should've guessed!

I've already stated that I'm concerned for Beltran having to resort to Fan Films, now that his star has dimmed, considerably. But thanks to Corran Horn's observation on convention appearances being able to sustain Robert and the others, I'm beginning to suspect that it may simply be that Beltran's looking to get fans at these autograph signings and so forth, to spend more money on him. I mean ... if it were me, personally, if I ever starred in a Trek show, I'd just move on. Even if I had to leave Show Biz, due to a lackluster career (... HA!!!) I would never go to conventions and such.

I don't want these peasants pawing me, shaking my hand and putting their paws all over me, whilst they blind me taking a photograph ... and trying to engage me in banal conversation. The Q&A sessions, I would excel at, however, because I've got the mic. If I don't want to answer someone's fool question, I can just switch gears and talk about what I'm interested in. I like that. Otherwise, my god ... it's bad enough that it hurt my pride, but it has to be such a thankless chore, besides. The money wouldn't ever be enough ... that's for damn sure. I'd model at an Art School, or something ... I'd get by, somehow, trust me. And doing Fan Films would be completely out of the question.

Are you sure you're stating your disdain strongly enough? Why not describe those unseemly hordes as pissants instead, some with claws and their unbearable halitosis suffocating you as you struggle to answer their inane babble!!!!!

I'm confident that Beltran will end up with egg on his face, thanks to his starring in this fan film. But I like Beltran as an actor and find him to be quite capable. I am also a fan of the character of Chakotay -- and the reasons are two:

1st, because he's a natural leader and an effective XO.
And 2nd? Because he is a Man with deeply held, Spiritual beliefs.

As to whether these beliefs were presented in an appropriate manner is entirely up for debate. But the fact that a 24th Century Man from the STAR TREK franchise believes in higher levels of being is a worthy update to Gene Roddenberry's previous demands that Humans of the future have abandoned all Faith as baseless and primitive superstition. "There is more in Heaven & Earth, Horatio, than is dreamt of in your philosophy."

.... Agreed!
In The Deed, Agreed!

I think I came back into the fold after most of the commentary about Renegades 1 had passed. I've only picked up snippets here and there, but were the general impressions of the work of Russ (acting) and Koenig really tilted so far to the low end of the scale? I agree that it wasn't the most dynamic of productions, plot meh, and some characters seemed to be given the opportunity to present a level of gravitas that was beyond them.. Still, why do you express no doubt that Beltran can't do some reasonable justice to whatever role he plays? I didn't review all of your comments in the thread, but I suspect that the belief is based on your opinion of the quality of the first iteration and lack of much positive feeling that the second presentation will exhibit much appreciable improvement, rather than any statement at all on his abilities, which you have complemented.

Is my surmise correct, or are there other factors that go into this determination?

 

[2takesfrakes]

Are you sure you're stating your disdain strongly enough? Why not describe those unseemly hordes as pissants instead, some with claws and their unbearable halitosis suffocating you as you struggle to answer their inane babble!!!!!

If I were allowed a gun that fired rubber bullets to these Cons, I would feel very much safer and more at ease, were I a celebrity. And as a celebrity, yes, the line has been very clearly drawn, OK? I am a hot commodity and common people comprise the unwashed masses. As such, I most certainly do not want them touching the merchandise, as it were. Especially when what I'm wearing likely costs more money than they've ever seen in their lifetime. As a STAR TREK actor, I would not be doing fan films, or convention appearances, but I would continue to accept work, within the official franchise. Got to keep my supermodel girlfriend in the style to which she's accustomed .... and that means a prolific career, augmented by sound financial investments.

Still, why do you express no doubt that Beltran can't do some reasonable justice to whatever role he plays? (...) I suspect that the belief is based on your opinion of the quality of the first iteration and lack of much positive feeling that the second presentation will exhibit much appreciable improvement, rather than any statement at all on his abilities, which you have complemented.

Is my surmise correct, or are there other factors that go into this determination?

The very fact of starring in a Fan Film carries with it the implicit acknowledgement that one's acting career is in the toilet. What's more, I've actually seen (some of) Renegades, the first one, and I was ... aghast! My eyebrows still haven't come down.

Bringing in Beltran for the second side of the same saga is just throwing good money after bad, as it were. If I were to see him in a one-Man play, for instance, about Diego Rivera's reminisces about his own Creative Life and that of his late wife Frida ... even on a very austere stage, perhaps with only some slides projected on a screen, in the background .... he'd be electrifying! Audiences would be riveted by his performance ... I've no doubt of that. But in a project such as Renegades? That's something else ...

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is not the best work Rob can get that he needs to support his family or mortgage.

Beltran is not getting paid.

This is just an opportunity to reunite with actual friends and a fictional character that he misses, over the course of probably a week at most.

Was he in Sharknado?

No.

Not rock bottom.

Oh.

He's staring in Resilient 3D with Virginia Madsen.

See, friends!

 

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

Difficult to believe that she was only 22-23 years old!

I still can't get over watching that Mrs. Columbo intro.

Just terrible terrible casting.

She looked around 25, and far too young for that part. Peter Falk was in his 40's when he was doing Columbo. Mrs. Columbo shouldn't be any younger than late 30's. He's not the sort of character to have some midlife crisis or chase a woman young enough to be his daughter.

If all the other characters were as badly cast, no wonder the show wasn't a success. Just makes me wonder what they were thinking...

 

[2takesfrakes]

I think it's wonderful that Virginia & Robert are reuniting for a project, but from what little information I've superficially gathered, Resilient 3D looks like utter shite. In fact ... and I'm not joking, here ... the premise sounds like they just took all of the elements from Mission to Mars (starring Tim Robbins) and just reshuffled them, a little. M2M was ... bad ... like, really bad, so I expect that R3D figured nobody's going to notice or care where they stole it from. But M2M did have one $aving Grace: the (then) very beautiful and talented Jill Teed!

And Renigade's $aving Grace is going to be Robert Beltran, it seems. But you know what? I understand, now, that he won't be getting paid for it, but still ... the Trekkies & Trekkers eat this stuff up - so, he's sure to find some kind of compensation in other, sundry ways, resulting from having been in this ... project. We're all doing what we can, I guess, but I just thank Providence that Jonathan Frakes hasn't involved himself with any of these Fan Films. There are other, more legitimate and worthwhile projects to involve ones celebrity friends with. Back in the day, for instance, Angelina Jolie, Sean Penn & Bono had joined forces to (literally) $ave the World.

 

[Drone]

Are you sure you're stating your disdain strongly enough? Why not describe those unseemly hordes as pissants instead, some with claws and their unbearable halitosis suffocating you as you struggle to answer their inane babble!!!!!

If I were allowed a gun that fired rubber bullets to these Cons, I would feel very much safer and more at ease, were I a celebrity. And as a celebrity, yes, the line has been very clearly drawn, OK? I am a hot commodity and common people comprise the unwashed masses. As such, I most certainly do not want them touching the merchandise, as it were. Especially when what I'm wearing likely costs more money than they've ever seen in their lifetime. As a STAR TREK actor, I would not be doing fan films, or convention appearances, but I would continue to accept work, within the official franchise. Got to keep my supermodel girlfriend in the style to which she's accustomed .... and that means a prolific career, augmented by sound financial investments.

Just to be clear, my intent was not to put your comment in a negative, self-absorbed, or excoriating light. Much to the contrary, I was seeking, admittedly, with my less than stellar humorous chops, to amplify your words, that I found hilarious!!! I apologize that you may have seen it otherwise.

I think I came back into the fold after most of the commentary about Renegades 1 had passed. I've only picked up snippets here and there, but were the general impressions of the work of Russ (acting) and Koenig really tilted so far to the low end of the scale? I agree that it wasn't the most dynamic of productions, plot meh, and some characters seemed to be given the opportunity to present a level of gravitas that was beyond them.. Still, why do you express no doubt that Beltran can't do some reasonable justice to whatever role he plays? I didn't review all of your comments in the thread, but I suspect that the belief is based on your opinion of the quality of the first iteration and lack of much positive feeling that the second presentation will exhibit much appreciable improvement, rather than any statement at all on his abilities, which you have complemented.

Is my surmise correct, or are there other factors that go into this determination?

The very fact of starring in a Fan Film carries with it the implicit acknowledgement that one's acting career is in the toilet. What's more, I've actually seen (some of) Renegades, the first one, and I was ... aghast! My eyebrows still haven't come down.

Bringing in Beltran for the second side of the same saga is just throwing good money after bad, as it were. If I were to see him in a one-Man play, for instance, about Diego Rivera's reminisces about his own Creative Life and that of his late wife Frida ... even on a very austere stage, perhaps with only some slides projected on a screen, in the background .... he'd be electrifying! Audiences would be riveted by his performance ... I've no doubt of that. But in a project such as Renegades? That's something else ...

I agree with your suggestion of a very effective stage vehicle for someone of Beltran's talents and artistic sensibilities. However, I must say that I'm in accord with Guy's characterization below. It's not as if this is something that is likely going to be cast in a harsh, withering light by any decision maker that could potentially cast him in something of rather more serious or meritorious account. I think for the relatively few people that even see such a project, its perception is exactly what it actually represents. A (probable) one-off done for the enjoyment of being immersed back in that familiar world, with people he knows and would enjoy working with again, without having to deal with the obvious constraints that came into play in his time on Voyager. Surely, actual stars, if not superstars, do such things for fun, perhaps more often in a short format. I just can't see that Beltran's view of this extends any further than that, certainly not as means to regain or propel any currency for himself in the wider entertainment world. Also, who knows, maybe the quality of at least some of the disparate elements that were lacking in the first rendition, might be appreciably improved this go around. I think that Russ is an astute director, and even taking the limited funds into account, one might actually discern some worthy aspects to the production, given the experience gained by all from the earlier effort.

This is not the best work Rob can get that he needs to support his family or mortgage.

Beltran is not getting paid.

This is just an opportunity to reunite with actual friends and a fictional character that he misses, over the course of probably a week at most.

Was he in Sharknado?

No.

Not rock bottom.

Oh.

He's staring in Resilient 3D with Virginia Madsen.

See, friends!