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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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urbandefault said:
He barked at CBS and Paramount. Consequences pending. :techman:
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Alec Peters:
Bark bark bark!
Richard Hatch acting lessons!
Bark bark bark!
Robert Mckee writing seminar!
Bark bark bark!
Fan Film!
Bark bark bark
No, professional independent feature film!
Bark bark bark!
Floor tile, carpet and sushi!
Bark bark bark!
No one is getting paid yet they are!
Bark bark bark!
Donate more money!
Bark bark bark!
World Tour!
Bark bark bark!
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Admiral Cain said:
My thoughts and some predictions briefly before I have to go run my for profit, profitable corporations (Happy St. Patty's Day everyone!)

1. I'm finding it hard to believe there are people who would give $250,000 for renting a warehouse with no assets (things bolted down are the property of the landlord as leasehold improvements). The studio is one big liability, it's not an asset. There's no business there, no profits being made, no signed contracts to count on. It's worth nothing - it has no value as a business. The new investors are enabling a fantasy, not buying a thriving business.

2. The landlord is not going to release Alec's personal guarantee of the lease, but if he does get $250,000 it's irrelevant, as the lease would be paid. That would be a big relief as Alec is shitting his pants right now trying to figure out how to get off the hook personally for the next two years' rent.

3. If Axanar Productions receives $250,000 it will just go to C/P, helping Alec settle the case. C/P doesn't want IKEA furniture, they want the cash in the bank account. If it does survive, what on earth would Axanar make next?

4. If they do get the rent money, the studio will go on as a new entity, limping along in a crowded market for two years. Year three will see Alec putting out his hat again still trying to look like a pro, pretending that his studio is the real deal and he is a Hollywood Executive Movie Producer.

5. Axanar Productions, Inc and Propworx, Inc will never pay rent. Ares Studios will be one big happy sandbox where a few wealthy fans can pretend they know how to make movies. If I liked Alec, it would be a lot of fun! I would totally donate! But I don't.

6. I'm suspicious of this deal because if Ares pays back Axanar all the studio build out expenses and back rent and future rent - AND Axanar gets non profit status retroactively it negates all our reasons for bitching about Axanar. So we would have nothing to complain about. Ta Da! Detractors defanged!! I don't believe it for a second, but if he pulls if off, bully for him. He's good at extracting money from rabid, unquestioning fans.

7. If there is still money flowing into Axanar Productions, Inc Alec will still pay himself a salary, plus phone, auto, travel and meal expenses because he works so hard. Will Diana ever get paid? We will never know.

8. He will never, ever give up control of Axanar or Ares. He will hold at least 51% of the stock and be CEO and President of both. That's the sticky part of going non profit, you have to have a board of directors - and they can fire you. Never going to happen.

9. The new entity Ares Studios, Inc will never release it's books so we will never know what kind of slop there is between Propworx and Ares or how much Alec is paying himself. It really isn't our business anyway. That's the beauty of carving Ares away from Axanar - you don't have to release anything to anybody. It would be a privately held company. He can raise as much money as he wants, spend it as he sees fit - and unless his investors, donors, gift givers or whatever he is calling them at the moment object, he's free to do as he wishes. Which I'm guessing will include travel to conventions to hustle more money.

10. There will never be financial data released by Axanar unless compelled to do so in court. We will never find out what happened to the $519,000 raised in the 2015 Indiegogo campaign.

As a fellow unapologetic capitalist, I think I know pretty well what Alec wants and where he's going with all this. He's no non profit philanthropist. He wants to build an empire. He's a businessman (just not a very good one). And I would be cheering him on if he wasn't such an insecure dick. And an alleged IP thief.
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Red Shirt said:
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Alec Peters:
Bark bark bark!
Richard Hatch acting lessons!
Bark bark bark!
Robert Mckee writing seminar!
Bark bark bark!
Fan Film!
Bark bark bark
No, professional independent feature film!
Bark bark bark!
Floor tile, carpet and sushi!
Bark bark bark!
No one is getting paid yet they are!
Bark bark bark!
Donate more money!
Bark bark bark!
World Tour!
Bark bark bark!
​
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Wait a minute, I thought that was Axanar's new PR person
 
http://www.scifipundit.com/home/david-gerrold-attacks-scifi-author-brad-torgersen
Maurice said:
The source of the quote (link).
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While exploring the source I found this article which further seems to show that Gerrold might be batshit crazy.

HATERS GONNA HATE: Brad Torgersen, the Hugo and Nebula nominated author of The Chaplain's War, has been under attack this week by a Facebook poster using the pseudonym David Gerrold. After Mr. Torgersen posted a picture of his multi-racial Mormon family on his blog, a hysterical Gerrold lashed out on Facebook with a vitriolic screed accusing Mr. Torgersen of a “squalid victim racket.” Gerrold has bizarrely claimed that Mormons are "in league with the Catholics and the Confederate Party."
The Rolling Stones novel, Heinlein graciously waived his rights to the episode and told Gerrold not to worry about what William H. Patterson, Jr., later described as “a bit of plagiarism.” As discussed in Patterson's biography Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century: Volume 2, Gerrold repaid Heinlein's generous waiver by “selling stuffed fake-fur and velour Tribble dolls at science-fiction conventions.” Heinlein subsequently wrote, “If the matter had simply been dropped after that one episode was filmed, I would have chalked it up wryly to experience. But the ‘nice kid’ did not drop it; tribbles (i.e., my ‘flat cats’) have been exploited endlessly.”

Nearly fifty years later, Gerrold is trying to score attention for himself with attacks on a Mormon writer better than he ever was. Robert Heinlein was an admirer of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members, so at least Gerrold didn't copy any anti-Mormon bigotry from RAH.

http://www.scifipundit.com/home/david-gerrold-attacks-scifi-author-brad-torgersen
 
Ryan Thomas Riddle said:
Curious to know what's the source of that quote. :)
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From this: http://www.amazon.com/Robert-A-Heinlein-Dialogue-1948-1988/dp/0765319616

I'll see if I can find it it discussed in something a bit more accessible.

Update: Okay, which of you lot was responsible for this?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=David Gerrold

Coz that's just evil. Funny, but evil.

KennyB said:
While exploring the source I found this article which further seems to show that Gerrold might be batshit crazy.
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His beef with Torgersen originated with that Hugos 'Sad Puppies' bullshit. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with how Gerrold responded, but the situation wasn't as simple as 'Gerrold woke up and decided to blow a gasket.'
 
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On Gerrold:

When I was between the ages of, say, 10 and 14 (1978-1982), I was a huge fan of his non-fiction writing. Not just his two ST books, but moreso his "Rumblings" column in Starlog magazine. I learned a lot from him and his style of critical thinking (for example, though I was a HUGE Star Wars fan, a column he wrote on plot holes and some poor storytelling in "Empire Strikes Back" in 1980 or '81 really stuck with me and influences how I apply critical thinking to other areas of my life even today.) Also, he was a young guy who "spoke to me" as a reader without talking down to me. In short, I considered him a "good friend I never met."

Flash forward to the late 2000s and especially this Axanar mess. First through some of his infrequent "blogging" on his website and then to the patently false "hey, I have no dog in this fight, just stating my opinion as a detached observer" Axanar writings - sigh, I just lost a lot of respect for him.

I won't belabor it, but I realize that this is one of the things I miss most about a pre-"social media" world. In the old days, an artist's communication with the outside world was usually "bettered" by the factors of infrequent publication, multiple drafts, editorial input and the foreknowledge that what was being written "now" would not be consumed by the audience until three or more months from "now". All of these contributed to not only making the output better, but also forced the writer to be circumspect when choosing his topics, words and stances- i.e., "I've only got twelve opportunities this year to speak to my audience, so I'm going to make it worth their while and mine." Now that artists have a direct, immediate and unfiltered outlet to share as much as they want as often as they want, it's like living next door to them, where you unfortunately get to hear not only their worthwhile thoughts but also to witness their day-to-day prejudices, pettiness and other flaws. I find it quite disillusioning - not just in Gerrold's case, but, for some reason, moreso in his case.

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Urgh, scratch that. Goodreads was fucking with me.

He did have a story published by a company called...Omnium Gatherum? Maybe not 'vanity', but it does describe itself as 'small press'.
 
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mkstewartesq said:
On Gerrold:

When I was between the ages of, say, 10 and 14 (1978-1982), I was a huge fan of his non-fiction writing. Not just his two ST books, but moreso his "Rumblings" column in Starlog magazine. I learned a lot from him and his style of critical thinking (for example, though I was a HUGE Star Wars fan, a column he wrote on plot holes and some poor storytelling in "Empire Strikes Back" in 1980 or '81 really stuck with me and influences how I apply critical thinking to other areas of my life even today.) Also, he was a young guy who "spoke to me" as a reader without talking down to me. In short, I considered him a "good friend I never met."

Flash forward to the late 2000s and especially this Axanar mess. First through some of his infrequent "blogging" on his website and then to the patently false "hey, I have no dog in this fight, just stating my opinion as a detached observer" Axanar writings - sigh, I just lost a lot of respect for him.

I won't belabor it, but I realize that this is one of the things I miss most about a pre-"social media" world. In the old days, an artist's communication with the outside world was usually"bettered" by the factors of infrequent publication, multiple drafts, editorial input and the foreknowledge that what was being written "now" would not be consumed by the audience until three or more months from "now". All of these contributed to not only making the output better, but also forced the writer to be circumspect when choosing his topics, words and stances- i.e., "I've only got twelve opportunities this year to speak to my audience, so I'm going to make it worth their while and mine." Now that artists have. a direct, immediate and unfiltered outlet to share as much as they want as often as they want, it's like living next door to them, where you unfortunately get to hear not only their worthwhile thoughts but also to witness their day-to-day prejudices, pettiness and other flaws. I find it quite disillusioning - not just in Gerrold's case, but, for some reason, moreso in his case.

M
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Excellent post! I too think it was a far better world when I did not know that people I looked up to might just be assholes. I think the key word in your post was "unfiltered". MANY people would be much better received if they had the filterings of an editor, or publicist before hitting the enter key. After many mis-steps you would think some of them would learn or at least adopt a "save to drafts, review after an hour or two" approach to posting things on social media. Emotions run high, but once you hit enter, there are NO take backs on the internet. Sigh.
 
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