As long as STB pulls a profit, I think there will be a 4th film.
I think personallySTB will do slightly under to about equal to STID.
6 reasons Beyond will be the biggest ST movie yet
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I think personallySTB will do slightly under to about equal to STID.
As long as we're talking hypothetical box office, at the moment, I'm expecting STB to finish par with STiD in North America but about $100m more internationally compared to STiD.
The 2nd trailer will give me a better feel for where the box office might end up.
It all depends on the tack that marketing takes and what the 2nd trailer shows.
Brought to you by the directors of FF6 and SWTFA might be a good start!
Pushing Justin Lin's Asian heritage in China, Taiwan, Japan, Korea etc.
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"Plot is unknown" is what is written on IMDB. Are you telling me Paramount has released an official plot description, but neglected to post it to one of the top movie sites on the internet? That's some pretty weak marketing, and no way to draw in the non-fans.
I said overall. Which includes DVD/BluRay sales.Funny. In my part of the world, $467 million is greater than $386 million.
ST2009: 583.3M
STID: 550.4M
If you adjust for inflation, the gap widens.
I really don't think the SWTFA/FF/Asian stuff makes a big difference. Just my opinion.
To me if feels like STB has less anticipation than the two previous films. Just look at the lukewarm (at best) reaction to the trailer.
But we're all sitting here talking about box office performance.
These numbers also don't include download revenue. Iron Man 3, which released the same year as STID, only did $81 million in DVD/Blu-ray sales. While the first one did nearly $200 million in 2008. Without those download totals, we really don't know how STID did in comparison. Only that it held its own with other hits from the same year on DVD/Blu-ray.
Go back and read the first post. How do you think he arrived at 1.1B?
You can spin it however you want, but there's a reason Paramount cut their Star Trek budget after STID's performance: 'Star Trek 3' Taking a Budget Hit, Thanks to 'Into Darkness'
The only one seeming to try and spin things is you. I've stated that we simply don't know because we don't have all the data available.
2013 was the year that could have ended extremely badly for Paramount. Nice for them that both STiD and World War Z both just ended up making some money.
I'm certainly hoping STB will do better. Even if it ends up with a modest $500-$550m, that would still give Paramount more than 3 times the budget for the first time since the reboot started.
You'd be surprised. It won't make much difference to the 40+ demographics or fans, but the under 35s will take notice,
A film directed by the director of FF3,4,5 & 6; and produced by the director of SWTFA? Awesome man, lets go.
And the demographic group noticeably missing from the STiD audience? The younger adults.
Lin's appointment as director was quite keenly reported in many Asian newspapers in Dec 2014.
Lastly, for whatever it's worth, many more people have watched the STB trailer than the ST09 and STiD trailers combined.
Those descriptions are nothing more than glorified elevator pitches. They offer no specific plot details beyond vague set-up or introduction And, of course, the return of Damon as Bourne is also "plot unknown," and it comes out a week later. But is anyone worried about it? No.
My original point still stands.
Okay then. Write two sentence detailing what it's about beyond what I can infer from it being a Suicide Squad film.
It's a new commodity to most people. A significant chunk of movie-going public have never heard of it, so WB thought it wise to educate people. All three trailers are introduction to the group. Not one gives any substantive detail about the story.
On the other hand, people know what they're getting with ID4, Ghostbusters, Tarzan, King Arthur, and, of course, Star Trek.
Shit. DoJ comes out in nine days. Can anyone provide a substantive plot synopsis beyond "Batman and Superman fight because reasons?", which is implied by the title of the film. Even the idea that they team up in the end to defeat Teenage Mutant Ninja Doomsday is an assumption.
Honestly, this idea that, because Paramount is holding the cards chest is some indication they think it might fail is one of that most absurd theories I've seen presented on this forum yet. And that's saying something.
I bet a lot people who went to see FF and SWTFA don't know who Justin Lin or JJ Abrams are.
I agree with the 2nd half of what you're saying. STID failed to attract the younger demographic that FF/SW got, and that's one of the main reasons Paramount selected Lin. I'm just saying I don't think it makes much of a difference. The people who went to see FF and SW would have gone regardless of who directed them.
And yet, it's still something more significant than "plot unknown." Most have several sentences, the new Ice Age movie coming out the same weekend as Beyond has an entire paragraph. "Glorified elevator pitches" they may be, they're still descriptions and still a better attempt to promote those movies than Paramount is making with Beyond.
That's old news, the budget has since been upped to $200 million plus. And if they're willing to do that, they must be confident they'll make money http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/12/star-trek-beyonds-dubai-visit-cost-32-million/
Seems like Paramount must have liked this script to go over the $200 million mark to make it. Also, seems like Into Darkness couldn't have been that big of a failure to have them spend this kind of money on a follow up.
I don't think people care about producing credits (how many mediocre films have been promoted with "From the producers of..."), but I think "director of Fast and Furious" will immediately make fans of that franchise feel more positively about Beyond, even if they don't recognise the actual name. Serious FF fans will know the name, and that should help with word-of-mouth publicity.
No-one cares about the presence or absence of a plot summary on IMDb except you.
