Agents of SHIELD: Season 3 - Discussion (SPOILERS LIKELY)

[Arrrrgggh]

The only person that we can speculate from is Skye's mom. She had abilities but gave birth to a human who needed terragen to gain powers. Perhaps, in the womb, the child is protected from terragenesis. (Also that Bahrain incident was about an active inhuman using crystals to activate her inactive daughter).

Uh, not sure how your logic is working there.

Terragenesis is more of a catalyst effect, not a permanent one. You get exposed to the mist, it triggers a chain reaction awakening your dormant genes/abilities. Your body doesn't retain the terrigen mist afterwards. If it did, a simple blood transfusion is all any Inhuman would need to transform other latent Inhumans.

Considering Skye's mother was transformed loooong before Skye was conceived, it doesn't prove anything at all.

 

[bbjeg]

It's a theory, like the others stated before. I didn't read all of the Inhuman comics but I've never seen an issue involving child birth issues, with terrigen or with a standard Inhuman. There is probably a reason behind it.

 

[Admiral2]

It's a theory, like the others stated before. I didn't read all of the Inhuman comics but I've never seen an issue involving child birth issues, with terrigen or with a standard Inhuman. There is probably a reason behind it.

Relax. You didn't miss anything in the comics because terragenesis has nothing to do with them.

In the comics, humans don't get turned into inhumans. The Inhumans exist as a seperate society descended from humans genetically engineered by the Kree ages ago. All the issues brought up by their appearance in AoS exist solely in AoS. As has been said before, Inhumans are this show's mutants.

 

[kirk55555]

Relax. You didn't miss anything in the comics because terragenesis has nothing to do with them.

In the comics, humans don't get turned into inhumans. The Inhumans exist as a seperate society descended from humans genetically engineered by the Kree ages ago. All the issues brought up by their appearance in AoS exist solely in AoS. As has been said before, Inhumans are this show's mutants.

Well, to be fair, in the comics there are currently hundreds or even thousands of people who thought they were normal humans, but experienced terrigenesis when a bunch of terrigen crystals were blown up and became a giant cloud. They were transformed because they had inhuman DNA, they were descendants from inhumans some time in their distant past. So, the comics actually match the show with random people becoming transformed with no idea beforehand that they were inhumans, although the comics obviously had a public society of inhumans and a totally different event causing supposedly normal humans to transform. Normal humans are uneffected by this stuff, no turning to stone or anything.

 

[Admiral2]

Well, to be fair, in the comics there are currently hundreds or even thousands of people who thought they were normal humans, but experienced terrigenesis when a bunch of terrigen crystals were blown up and became a giant cloud. They were transformed because they had inhuman DNA, they were descendants from inhumans some time in their distant past. So, the comics actually match the show with random people becoming transformed with no idea beforehand that they were inhumans, although the comics obviously had a public society of inhumans and a totally different event causing supposedly normal humans to transform. Normal humans are uneffected by this stuff, no turning to stone or anything.

Currently. I'm the old timer here, remember? I'm talking about back in the olden FF days, not comics designed to promote Marvel TV. I haven't read those, and probably won't.

 

[kirk55555]

Currently. I'm the old timer here, remember? I'm talking about back in the olden FF days, not comics designed to promote Marvel TV. I haven't read those, and probably won't.

Well, you didn't specify "old days", so I figured I'd bring up what the comics were doing. Also, I'm pretty sure they weren't advertising the TV show with the inhuman mist in the comics (Marvel Comics in general goes out of there way as much as they can not to do that, outside of having events or characters get hyped/changed a bit around when the movies come out, and introducing movie/TV characters to the comics).

The terrigen mist event happened in comics published around the time AoS Season 1 premiered, and its not like the comics people coordinate with the TV people. The TV wouldn't be taking anything from the events shown in the comics first until the season finale of Season 2, when the terrigen got into the water and started getting random people. That was May 2015, over 18 months after the terrigen was released in the comics. The inhumans weren't even outright introduced in AoS until, what, episode 10 or 11 of AoS season 2, which was about a year after the terrigen events in the comics.

So, yeah, you don't have to like modern comics. That's a completely valid opinion (I personally like them quite a bit, at least in general). But, marvel Comics are definitely not "advertising" for the TV show, at least not when it comes to general creative decisions. They do their own thing, and while there is influence (both ways), Agents of SHIELD took their inhuman stuff from the comics (at least to an extent), Marvel Comics didn't take it from the TV show. The comics people did do it to make the mutants less important and make Inhumans more of a factor, and that is because of the movies and TV. But, still, definitely not advertising any MCU stuff.

 

[Admiral2]

Well, you didn't specify "old days", so I figured I'd bring up what the comics were doing. Also, I'm pretty sure they weren't advertising the TV show with the inhuman mist in the comics (Marvel Comics in general goes out of there way as much as they can not to do that, outside of having events or characters get hyped/changed a bit around when the movies come out, and introducing movie/TV characters to the comics).

The terrigen mist event happened in comics published around the time AoS Season 1 premiered, and its not like the comics people coordinate with the TV people. The TV wouldn't be taking anything from the events shown in the comics first until the season finale of Season 2, when the terrigen got into the water and started getting random people. That was May 2015, over 18 months after the terrigen was released in the comics. The inhumans weren't even outright introduced in AoS until, what, episode 10 or 11 of AoS season 2, which was about a year after the terrigen events in the comics.

So, yeah, you don't have to like modern comics. But, marvel Comics are definitely not "advertising" for the TV show. They do their own thing, and while there is influence (both ways), Agents of SHIELD took their inhuman stuff from the comics, Marvel Comics didn't take it from the TV show. They did do it to make the inhumans less important and make Inhumans more of a factor, and that is because of the movies and TV. But, still, definitely not advertising any MCU stuff.

Fair enough. I didn't know about the comics origins of terrigenisis. My bad.

Still, I prefer the old-fashioned Inhumans. (I wonder if they can sneak Black Bolt and Medusa into the show at some point...)

 

[Arrrrgggh]

I'm pretty sure they're leaving the well-established secret society of Inhumans you're referring to for the upcoming movie. Though they have obviously already touched upon it slightly.

 

[kirk55555]

Fair enough. I didn't know about the comics origins of terrigenisis. My bad.

Still, I prefer the old-fashioned Inhumans. (I wonder if they can sneak Black Bolt and Medusa into the show at some point...)

The terrigen mists/terrigenesis as a concept were basically created by Stan Lee in 1967 when the Inhumans origin was explored in Thor #146, so terrigen itself is old school. But having it released into the world and having changes of a massive group of people was during the (fairly mediocre, admittedly) "Infinity" event. The idea was actually around before that though, there was a book in the 90s called Earth X, and it was another universe but had Black Bolt spreading terrigen mist throughout the world,too.

As for Black Bolt and Medusa, all the famous inhumans are being saved for the Inhuman movie (which is still getting made from what I can tell, even though some rumors were disputing that). We won't be seeing them for a few years, though.

 

[Captain Craig]

Perhaps when the Inhumans movie arrives they can tie up AoS. Not that I expect the Inhumans of AoS and the Secret Warriors to dominate the storyline that long but when the movie arrives they can revist this and tie up anything. Then end the show.

I really enjoyed last Tuesdays return and feel the show continues to grow and strengthen.

 

[JD]

I found the comic I was thinking of with the sexually transmitted superpowers, it was a series published by TItan Comics called Death Sentence.
In it a new STD gives people superpowers, but also kills them after 6 months.

 

[kirk55555]

Perhaps when the Inhumans movie arrives they can tie up AoS. Not that I expect the Inhumans of AoS and the Secret Warriors to dominate the storyline that long but when the movie arrives they can revist this and tie up anything. Then end the show.

I really enjoyed last Tuesdays return and feel the show continues to grow and strengthen.

Honestly, I hope AoS goes for longer then it will take for Inhumans to come out. The show is Agents of SHIELD, not Inhumans: The series, it has other stuff to do. I don't know if it will happen, but it would be cool if AoS could tie with Smallville for number of seasons. There is definitely enough potential stories to tell.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I found the comic I was thinking of with the sexually transmitted superpowers, it was a series published by TItan Comics called Death Sentence.
In it a new STD gives people superpowers, but also kills them after 6 months.

Thanks. I never heard of that one. They dying-after-six-months part is definitely a downside.

 

[Reverend]

^Wasn't something like that also a subplot in Bendis' "Powers" comic books?

 

[RJDiogenes]

Could be. I read Powers for a while, but I lost track of it. I forget if it's because it started coming out irregularly or if that's just when I stopped reading comics.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Another Secret Warriors connection tonight. According to the document that Bobbi pulled out of the Australian delegates safe, the Australians were holding an Inhuman named "Eden Fesi" for military experimentation. At the end of the episode, Coulson says that their team in Australia had rescued the Inhuman.

In the comics, Eden Fesi is also known as "Manifold", and he was one of Daisy's Secret Warriors and more recently, an Avenger. He has long range teleportation powers.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Eden_Fesi_(Earth-616)

 

[bbjeg]

@Turtletrekker
That would be a convenient person to have on the team.

Great episode. This one was up there with the best. Nice action, nice call backs to a few episodes, and Talbot is back in all his glory.

Ward was getting better but now he's trailing off again, but not just his out there attitude, I'm starting to think they writers don't know what kind of power to give him (including one that looks like he's blowing sand in your face which makes you believe him?). I'll give him (and his writers) a chance to go somewhere with this but he's loosing me.

This episode did put Hunter and Bobbie in a Marvel's Most Wanted position with them heading with Malic. Personally, I think they are way over their heads, and that's just against the two Inhumans guarding Ward, not the Hydra army, with their hover jets, and Ward himself. I would have sent Deathlok (who should have robotic human looking appendages like Coulson, right?).

I'm not a big fan with them making Absorbing Man a good guy. He was a formidable foe. If they wanted to give Talbot a powered individual, they should have gave him Doc Samson. I guess they need him for the vaccine but I think/hope he returns to being a powerhouse villain (though, it would be fun to see him turn metal go up against that metal melting guy).

Still a great episode though.

 

[Kemaiku]

Well, that solves the decomposing body problem. And explains where all those people on the planet went, I'm sure that city was filled with similar skeletons, and the other eight.

 

[bbjeg]

I'm not sure what Coulson and company plan to do with Ward. It looks like Inhumans have no effect on him. Does SHIELD have any more nukes at their disposal?

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm not a big fan with them making Absorbing Man a good guy. He was a formidable foe. If they wanted to give Talbot a powered individual, they should have gave him Doc Samson.

Ty Burrell, who played Leonard Samson in The Incredible Hulk, is busy on "Modern Family" and I'd rather they not recast. And how to explain his powers?