Jack can't have been the only Mutant.

[Guy Gardener]

Days of Future Past (edited because I'm an idiot.) said outright that JFK was assassinated because he was a mutant, so logically the only reason that Magneto took the blame for that hit, was if he wanted Robert Kennedy (WTF? Bobby had 11 kids!?) to make a play for the presidency in '68 or '72 without there becoming a question of genetic purity before he's allowed to be nominated to the ticket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_family

JFK had 8 siblings including Ted, who should have only been able to survive all that excess because of mutant powers, so the question really becomes about whether or not JFK JR, and Robert are X-Gene positive in FOX's Marvel Universe? Although Beast recently said (in the comics) that the Mutant Gene is passed on by females, not males. (Yes, John Kennedy's daughter Caroline is still alive, but this is a pretty messy topic already, without involving the living.)

Which would suggest that Jackie herself had to be a mutant if her kids with Jack were mutants.

Discuss?

PS

There's a line from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas...

“I watched that fight in Seattle—horribly twisted about four seats down the aisle from the Governor. A very painful experience in every way, a proper end to the sixties: Tim Leary a prisoner of Eldridge Cleaver in Algeria, Bob Dylan clipping coupons in Greenwich Village, both Kennedys murdered by mutants, Owsley folding napkins on Terminal Island, and finally Cassius/Ali belted incredibly off his pedestal by a human hamburger, a man on the verge of death. Joe Frazier, like Nixon, had finally prevailed for reasons that people like me refused to understand—at least not out loud.”

It was a secret that Magneto was the shooter in Dallas, and a double secret that Magneto lied about killing the President, so who the frakk told Hunter S. Thompson in either reality or fiction, about half of this Mutant Conspiracy underfoot? Meanwhile if Robert had a really interesting/exotic mutant power, maybe what happened in the Ambassador Hotel in '68 wouldn't have been such a big deal?

 

[dahj]

Wait, aren't they all lizard people?

 

[Gaith]

X: First Class (2011) said outright that JFK was assassinated because he was a mutant

No, Magneto in DoFP said he was trying to save JFK because he was a mutant; he didn't say what the motive was for whoever was trying to kill him.

 

[Arrrrgggh]

Wait, First Class? Kennedy was still alive in that, no? I thought the whole thing with Magneto and Kennedy was from Days of Future Past, with him implying that he just wasn't able to stop Mystique from doing the deed.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, Magneto in DoFP said he was trying to save JFK because he was a mutant; he didn't say what the motive was for whoever was trying to kill him.

(Sorry, I was trying to say that "the movie said", not "Eric said". I need some coffee.

Not that I could tell which movie I was talking about.)

Oh there was another movie! This is what I get for posting at 4 am. Magneto was in jail under the pentagon for killing JFK. Eric was trying to save the mutant President, but failed and the Secret Service/CIA thought he'd done it, or "helped" Oswald, so they stuck him on trial and then jailed the Master of Magnetism for life. I remember Magz blaming Mutant haters/oppressors, but google tells me it could have been Mystique... I thought the (a minute) point of this movie was to save Mystique before she really killed any one on purpose?

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Viral marketing bu####t, not viral enough.

 

[Gaith]

Kinberg:

“The notion was that Trask was a little bit involved in the assassination of JFK. I’m just telling you back story, it’s not in the movie, but Trask identified that JFK was a mutant, and then the people that wanted JFK killed for all their political reasons, whoever it actually was who actually killed him, they were motivated by the fact that this guy was a mutant. So Eric got wind of that, and tried to stop them, but there were too many of them.

“We talked about what JFK’s power was for quite a bit, and my answer for you may be a bit obvious and not that smart, but it’s a telepathy, a mind-control, the ability to persuade people to do things. There were other theories from other people that were slightly more… tawdry.”

.​

 

[Guy Gardener]

Telepathy doesn't work over phone lines, which is how he 'solved" The Cuban Missile Crisis... Although Shaw set up the Missile Crisis, and Magneto seemed to finish it. If Kennedy was a mutant in cahoots with Magneto to a degree, then I'm not sure how that crisis point even reached a simmer?

 

[DarKush]

Not much to add really but the JFK being a mutant felt like it was trivializing JFK. It wasn't really necessary to me.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ronald Reagan was a "paranormal" in Marvel's New Universe in the 1980s, while both Johnson and Nixon were replaced by evil Doppelgangers and left in office to run out their terms. These things happen.

Obama, is Superman in one of DC's Mirror Universes (sorta).

 

[Gaith]

Not much to add really but the JFK being a mutant felt like it was trivializing JFK. It wasn't really necessary to me.

My assumption was that Vaughn wanted for Erik to have killed JFK, and that Singer walked that back, but apparently that's not the case. And, according to this Cracked article, JFK actually was a mutant, sort of.

 

[DarKush]

Gaith,

Even though I don't like the use of JFK's assassination in that manner, I would've preferred if Magneto had been the assassin as opposed to the attempted savior. That being said, I had no problem with The Comedian pulling the trigger in the Watchmen movie but that was an alternate history anyway. Sure there were a lot of time travel shenanigans in DOFP but I don't the JFK assassination was part of that.

 

[DarKush]

Ronald Reagan was a "paranormal" in Marvel's New Universe in the 1980s, while both Johnson and Nixon were replaced by evil Doppelgangers and left in office to run out their terms. These things happen.

Obama, is Superman in one of DC's Mirror Universes (sorta).

Fair points Guy,

Still the idea of using JFK's murder, it just felt tacky to me.

 

[Set Harth]

Me too... but in all fairness I haven't been super stoked about the "let's go back to a real-world historical event and put the X-Men in it" idea in general.

 

[Arrrrgggh]

Eh, I hate it as much as I hate it when movies/shows downplay human achievement by saying aliens invented modern technology (or even ancient technology, in the case of that horrific History Channel show).

 

[DarKush]

Me too... but in all fairness I haven't been super stoked about the "let's go back to a real-world historical event and put the X-Men in it" idea in general.

Set,
I did like the Cuban Missile Crisis thing in First Class. I thought that was neat and I wasn't expecting it. I can deal with an insertion into a real world event, but when it gets to rewriting history to the extent of inserting a mutant in a real life assassination I think that was going too far. But putting the X-Men in a broader, more amorphous event I was okay with. I think it added some import to First Class.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oswald still shot the president.

There was still "maybe" a weird conspiracy pushing Oswald.

What the movie said was that Oswald was going to miss.

Because he's a shit shot. (Which he was.)

So Magneto grabbed the bullets in flight and MAGICALLY made them veer at impossible vectors to ping ping ping bounce around the car until one of the three shots finally reached it's target.

WHICH ACTUALLY HAPPENED!

The second bullets path was so impossible in our reality that mutant powers are as good an explanation as a temporary closure of the regular physical properties of the universe which is what the Warren Commission had claimed that had happened.

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[Arrrrgggh]

The problem is that Magneto himself said that he couldn't stop her from killing Kennedy. With the direct implication that he was talking about Mystique.

 

[Gaith]

The problem is that Magneto himself said that he couldn't stop her from killing Kennedy. With the direct implication that he was talking about Mystique.

I just skimmed an online transcript of the movie and couldn't find a line like that; all I saw was Erik said he last saw Raven in Dallas.

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's more than one version of this movie.

There's another 20 minutes with a Rogue side adventure, in the latest release.

 

[Set Harth]

I don't think the dialogue in question is any different between the two versions.

Besides, the movie clearly says that killing Trask was the first time she killed. That wouldn't be the case if she had killed Kennedy.