Questions About Kirk and the Nexus

[indycar]

When Kirk goes into the Nexus from the Enterprise-B, he is going into his own illusion. Later, when Picard goes into it, he has his own illusion about having a family. After talking to "Guinan", Picard decides to go to Kirk to have him help defeat Soran.

The last part is where I have my first question. How can Picard just choose to go Kirk's illusion or did he just have his own illusion of Kirk? If the latter was the case, how did Kirk manage to come back to the real world to fight Soran? If it was the real Kirk that fought Soran and died, wouldn't he still have an echo in the Nexus, like Guinan in Picard's fantasy? No matter how I think about it, I keep coming to the conclusion that Kirk still exists in the Nexus, whether it was really him or just an illusion. If anybody could debunk or give an explanation that would contradict my thoughts, I would accept it.

My second question is, when the Nexus comes by after Soran destroys the sun, it clearly goes over the remains of the Enterprise-D. Does this mean that each and every person on the ship had their own illusion like Kirk, Picard and Soran?

 

[JonnyQuest037]

The Nexus did whatever the plot needed it to do at that particular moment.

 

[bbjeg]

Pretty much what JonnyQuest037 said. I was curious about it too. At first, I thought Guinan's echo was her, from her transport vessel, going through the Nexus where she ran into Picard and did that scene, and then was rescued by the Enterprise B. That couldn't work because she didn't know Kirk was in it yet (unless she went in the future and saw that too before looking for/running into Picard). Then I thought the movie was a complete failure because Soran made it into the Nexus, and regardless of Picard and Kirk's efforts, he is still in there (and dead in an alternate time line). Now, I'm just going to take it as everything post Generations is just Picard's dream.


... so NuTrek is his fault.

 

[HIjol]

It's funny how I did not, initially, try to "logic" the different experiences of each of the characters in Generations. But, as usual with my experiences here in BBS, as I read and interact here I learn new things and new ways of thinking. So, I think it is poetic/ironic that a certain logic for the OP question comes to my mind:

The Nexus is like this BBS. We are all here, "in it", but we are not "aware" of each other unless we are involved in a Thread or Conversation together. We all "inhabit" this place, but our "illusions" (as indycar refers to them, above) are the Posts and Answers we make to each other. So, we can "ride a horse" together in the "Equestrian" Thread. Or, burn the toast in the "Learn the Hell How To Cook" Thread.

Our "Time Travel" within our BBS Nexus could be the time that passes as a Thread is opened, and/or when a Thread is dormant for a while, and then re-accessed. The Wrath of 'Bonz not withstanding!

I wonder if the above thinking is what the Writers were considering?

Or, maybe it was just like JohnnyQuest said.

 

[STEPhon IT]

Hard to make any sense out of... bad writing. What's sad is I can bet almost every person on the BBS could've thought of a faithful, conceivable movie than the idiots who wrote, and directed that piece of sh*t. And they were paid.

 

[bbjeg]

The Nexus is like this BBS...

That actually works. Guinan posts in a "The Nexus is sweet" thread, Kirk posts "I'm making eggs for my lady", Picard trolls and says "It sucks, it's not real" which conveniences Guinan to... wait, does that make Guinan a moderator? She responsible for deleting Kirk's post.

 

[HIjol]

Thank you, bbjeg!

Not that the BBS is the "Be All End All" of life, but is sure does give me pleasure and learning and laughter and, yeah, sometimes, Frustration...but mostly the good stuff!

Thanks, Antony, Et al. !!!

Oh, also, Thanks, Obama!

 

[hux]

So you're saying that we're all trapped here in the BBS and just waiting for someone from the real world to come along and help us break free of its comforting yet illusory charms.

Is this your way of telling me I need to get a girlfriend?

 

[HIjol]

No, no...well, maybe...but you do not need ME for that!

Unless she ends up liking Katarian eggs...'cuz, I gotta guy...

...in the Nexus!

 

[2takesfrakes]

I'll bet Kirk spoilt Antonia's fondness for eggs, after he dropped that bomb on her, as he gave her breakfast in bed. Now the memory of being ditched by a girdle-wearing bastard who never takes his rug off, even to go to bed is forever anchored to her craving for that particular foodstuff ...

 

[HIjol]

...plus, the burnt toast

 

[2takesfrakes]

I know, right! ... The barbarian! She probably ended up telling him, "just go, you bastard - you've put me off. And take this dodgy breakfast with you."

 

[HIjol]

Not even butter...or marmalade...or even a rasher???

 

[Timo]

The Nexus did whatever the plot needed it to do at that particular moment.

...Which is only logical, as the role of the Nexus is to serve. What else would this thing be that travels between stars at immense speed along a predictable route but slows down near various highlights to pick up passengers, but a mass transit system? And what would a mass transit system with two score years per round trip be without inflight entertainment?

It is up to the passengers to choose whether to acknowledge the other passengers, perhaps invite them in to one's own entertainment, or try and ask to be let in. And it's nice of the company to let ignorant kids take rides on occasion, too, even if they don't know any of the rules and generally make a mess of the place.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[2takesfrakes]

Not even butter...or marmalade...or even a rasher???

And remember, now ... this is the fantasy version of what happened. The Nexus-tainted version. We should've gotten to see Antonia wing that burnt toast right at him and bounce it off of his crown, with crumbs splattering about ... You know, I'm not even sure that he brought her up anything to wash that shite down with. Not that we were going to see her have need of it, but still ... what a tosser!

 

[HIjol]

And remember, now ... this is the fantasy version of what happened. The Nexus-tainted version. We should've gotten to see Antonia wing that burnt toast right at him and bounce it off of his crown, with crumbs splattering about ... You know, I'm not even sure that he brought her up anything to wash that shite down with. Not that we were going to see her have need of it, but still ... what a tosser!

 

[Peach Wookiee]

 

[Kor]

Since time has no meaning in the Nexus, Soran is still there. Kirk is still there, too.

Or something.

Kor

 

[Ronald Held]

Echoes are still there?

 

[STEPhon IT]

Can I flush it now?