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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

Oh, I see. It's not actually acknowledging the existence of the city of Smallville or the events of that series, just using an Easter-egg character name.

And Savage's "special ward" was in "Hall H" -- which may be a nod to the famous San Diego Comic Con venue.
 
:brickwall: :brickwall: :shrug:

Spoilers!

You just robbed me of a moment where I get rewarded with a dopamine spike for figuring that out, as it happens, in two days.

Technically, you stole drugs from me Dick.

How much Breaking Bad have you seen? :razz:
 
When the previous teaser showed Savage being a Doctor in the 1950s I wondered if they would give him an alias. The show has not explored that yet. In the comics he has claimed to be a long list of real historical figures. Genghis Khan, Vlad the Impaler, etc. Smallville was forced to only have the character only using an alias. Due to some film in development with him as the villain.
 
We "thought" Dean Cain played Vandal Savage in Smallville, but there were issues and they couldn't use the name or grow the beard, so maybe it wasn't Savage after all.
 
Parallel Universes.... similar things happen. Vandal went by the same alias in both Smallville-Universe and Arrowverse. Similar, but different.

They could use the same concept to bring in Tom Welling as Superman on Supergirl, without acknowledging the convoluted history of the Smallville-verse.
 
Parallel Universes.... similar things happen. Vandal went by the same alias in both Smallville-Universe and Arrowverse. Similar, but different.

They could use the same concept to bring in Tom Welling as Superman on Supergirl, without acknowledging the convoluted history of the Smallville-verse.

They could. As I mentioned earlier in the thread--in that one small scene when Barry and friends travelled to Earth 2 it established that practically all universe's we've seen in television or the movies can potentially exist in the multiverse. We could potentially have George Reeves interacting with Kara or Michael Keaton reprising his role as Bruce Wayne in a Batman Beyond verse.

I'm not saying that will actually happen, but basically The Flash established that it could happen.
 
Parallel Universes.... similar things happen. Vandal went by the same alias in both Smallville-Universe and Arrowverse. Similar, but different.

Sometimes an Easter egg is just an Easter egg. It should be obvious by now that these creators are having great fun playing around with the DC universe. It's not like every little wink to the audience is proof of some master plan to create an integrated multiverse. Some things are just gags.
 
I guess that with Agent Carter gone, this'll be the home of the anachronism game. "I should've known better than to fall for a ninja." Did ninjas exist before the 1950s? Of course. Would a typical American have known what one was at the time? Unlikely, to my knowledge. Feel free to correct me if there are examples of ninjas in American popular culture of the time. (Give it another decade and you could say that she saw You Only Live Twice.)

The Oxford English Dictionary, which tracks the emergence of new slang into English, suggests that one of the first western uses of the word "ninja" was in Ian Fleming's 1964 James Bond novel You Only Live Twice.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/5982187/why-americans-became-obsessed-with-ninjas

The first major appearance of ninja in Western pop-culture was in the James Bond film You Only Live Twice (1967), as a secret commando force used by the Japanese intelligence service. The 1960s TV series The Samurai caused a significant wave of interest in ninja among younger viewers in Australia, but the impact of the ninja phenomenon was not felt in other western countries until considerably later. Western fascination with the ninja bloomed in the 1980s, especially in the United States.
http://www.worldlibrary.org/articles/ninja_in_popular_culture
 
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Sometimes an Easter egg is just an Easter egg. It should be obvious by now that these creators are having great fun playing around with the DC universe. It's not like every little wink to the audience is proof of some master plan to create an integrated multiverse. Some things are just gags.

They might not be doing it on purpose, but it still fits the dynamic they have established with similar things happening in multiple universes. I know it will never happen, but if there were no live action embargos, how cool would it be to actually do CRISIS? which was hinted at in that newspaper in Flash S1? The original crisis brought all the parallel worlds together as one with a single combined history.... they could seamlessly merge the first half of Smallville into Supergirl, recast John Shipp as Jay Garrick (a Flash from an earlier era), and set Gotham as ocurring 10-15 years ago.

I know its a pipe dream, so no need to be told its not going to happen. Just think its a great concept... :)
 
Perhaps Savage mentioned them while telling stories at one of his parties. Or it could be the DC universe has had ninjas around much longer than ours.

So is Chronos going to end up being Mick?
 
The questionable use of the word Ninja aside I thought this was the most solid use of a time period yet. The episodes in 70s and 80s largely took place on Military bases and prisons, in other countries. Locations that are not that different than what they look today.

This was the perfect episode for Joe Dante to direct. Tapping in to his history. Monsters in small towns. He started working for Roger Corman who specialized in the type of horror films this was inspired by. He work on small budgeted films and big studios films. So he knows to use a limited tv budget to its fullest.

Its interesting that not only was Savage's alias taken from Smallville. But that he was a Doctor who experimented on people mutated by meteors too.
 
Perhaps Savage mentioned them while telling stories at one of his parties. Or it could be the DC universe has had ninjas around much longer than ours.

Well, ninjas have been around in Japan since the 15th century, but it's certainly possible that they became known in the West earlier in Earth-1 than here in Earth-Prime (so to speak).

Or maybe there was an intervening conversation between Sara and the nurse where she tried to explain herself as a ninja and the nurse was confused by the word, and this was the followup where she was teasing Sara by tossing the label back at her.

So is Chronos going to end up being Mick?

I had that thought too. Maybe he stole Chronos's armor, or got recruited, or was Chronos all along, or something. It'd make sense -- Chronos is dull as a faceless adversary, so making him someone we and the team had a personal stake in would be more effective.


This was the perfect episode for Joe Dante to direct. Tapping in to his history. Monsters in small towns. He started working for Roger Corman who specialized in the type of horror films this was inspired by. He work on small budgeted films and big studios films. So he knows to use a limited tv budget to its fullest.

Yeah, it's good to see something from Dante again, though I hope at some point they bring him back for an all-out comedy.

As far as evoking the period went, they downplayed the racism a bit. In 1958, lunch counters were still segregated, so Jax sitting next to Betty at the counter would've evoked a much more severe response than it did.

Its interesting that not only was Savage's alias taken from Smallville. But that he was a Doctor who experimented on people mutated by meteors too.

Oh, I hadn't thought of that. I was thinking more of the meteorite that mutated the comics' Vandal Savage into an immortal. But I guess there is a bit of a Smallville resonance with the "meteor freaks."
 
eh, post-WWII anyone's father (or mother) could've come home from being stationed in Japan and mentioned ninja.
 
Perhaps Savage mentioned them while telling stories at one of his parties. Or it could be the DC universe has had ninjas around much longer than ours.

Well, ninjas have been around in Japan since the 15th century, but it's certainly possible that they became known in the West earlier in Earth-1 than here in Earth-Prime (so to speak).

Or maybe there was an intervening conversation between Sara and the nurse where she tried to explain herself as a ninja and the nurse was confused by the word, and this was the followup where she was teasing Sara by tossing the label back at her.

It's all well and good to come up with in-universe rationalizations, but does anybody believe that the writers were deliberately attempting to establish one of these things? Or was it just a mistake?

eh, post-WWII anyone's father (or mother) could've come home from being stationed in Japan and mentioned ninja.

And even if that were the case, it's unlikely they'd drop such a casual reference, like they'd expect the next person to know what they were talking about. If somebody had referenced ninjas in an American TV show or movie in the late '50s, they would have gone out of their way to explain what one was to the audience.
 
I agree it would love to see Joe Dante direct an all out comedy. Not only see him work with this cast but would be great to see him do episodes of the Flash, Arrow, and Supergirl too.

He has directed 9 episodes of Hawaii Five-0. I have never watched that show. Seems like a bit of waste of his skills to direct a standard procedural drama.
 
As far as evoking the period went, they downplayed the racism a bit. In 1958, lunch counters were still segregated, so Jax sitting next to Betty at the counter would've evoked a much more severe response than it did.

Using Google Fu segregation was banned in public accommodations in Oregon by law in 1953.
 
eh, post-WWII anyone's father (or mother) could've come home from being stationed in Japan and mentioned ninja.

Well, it's not like there were actual ninjas hanging around in Japan at the time. But someone could've picked up the idea from Japanese literature or theater. (The cliche of the black-costumed ninja comes from the theater, in fact. Real ninjas just dressed as ordinary people, to blend in. The black costumes were worn by theater stagehands who, by convention, were treated as invisible and nonexistent by the performers and audience. Then somebody had the idea to have one of those "invisible" stagehands shock the audience by suddenly killing one of the characters, playing into the myth of ninja invisibility. Basically the Japanese version of breaking the fourth wall. And that gimmick caught on to the point that the black stagehand costumes became indelibly associated with ninjas.)



It's all well and good to come up with in-universe rationalizations, but does anybody believe that the writers were deliberately attempting to establish one of these things? Or was it just a mistake?

It was probably just a mistake, but trying to concoct rationalizations is what fans do. It's not about belief, it's about creativity.
 
Just to put things in perspective, that was an era when, in Western popular culture (including the super-hero comics of the time), a character knowing some judo was treated as something exotic.
 
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