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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I hadn't realized Alec finally decided to recast the part of Garth. Did he comment on why? Something to the effect of: "It's not in the project's best interest for a gangly man with no talent (who looks 10 years older than the man who portrayed the original, 20-years-older version of Garth) to portray the main character. Also, Tony Todd left in part because I can't act."

Kidding, of course, on that admission. But curious what his stated reason was.
 
@Tom - thanks for posting this. I had been considering posting something similar for a while now, but refrained (mainly because I was afraid I, as a newbie (says so right there to the left) was getting a little annoying posting clarifications and “don’t get your hopes up too much” messages.

But I don’t think this point can be overstated. As the case goes forward, C/P is only going to delve into those things that directly pertain to their case and benefit C/P. So, yes, they will look into everything that demonstrates copyright infringement - either evidence of elements copies from Star Trek to evidence that supports their contention that Axanar was profiting from C/P IP - such as evidence that Axanar was using the film as the springboard for other efforts, offering infringing models in exchange for donations, and so on. The same for a trademark infringement claim (if they even bring such a claim) - evidence such as the use of Star Trek’s “look and feel” on coffee products. Same for an unfair competition claim (if they even bring such a claim) - evidence that Axanar was marketing this as professional and competitive with (or better than) Star Trek produced by C/P.

But that’s it. No matter how riled up everyone is about how Axanar may or may not have run their business vis a vis funds management or liability to donors or running Propworx out of the facility or anything else - C/P is not going to care about that and isn’t going to devote much time to it. They are certainly not going to use it as a hammer to bring down on Axanar, as it doesn’t have anything to do with their claims (and, in fact, C/P has no legal standing to complain about those things because they are not donors and don’t have any other protectible interest in how the business is run.) Indeed, a lot of the information relating to alleged mismanagement/self-interest would almost certainly be ruled by Judge Klausner as “irrelevant” to C/P’s claims , meaning Axanar does not even have to respond to questions about them or produce any information about them.

So, while certain additional information may come out in the course of this case, anyone expecting any “comeuppance” of Axanar for their business practices is likely to be very disappointed if they think the C/P case will be the vehicle for it.

Mike
Sigh. You are right. "The law" and "justice" are often two different things.
 
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If this project is blocked from making a Trek film or anything related to Trek, they will lose 99% of the fan interest and support, and dash any bootstrap into being a credible studio they were trying to leverage out of Trek. And even if they can duck C/P taking all of the assets/money that remain, they still have to deal with the donors.

C/P I think does not have to clean out the piggy bank, they just have to shut these people out of Trek. Of that I think they are guaranteed success.
 
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If this project is blocked from making a Trek film or anything related to Trek, they will lose 99% of the fan interest and support, and dash any bootstrap into being a credible studio they were trying to leverage out of Trek. And even if they can duck C/P taking all of the assets/money that remain, they still have to deal with the donors.

C/P I think does not have to clean out the piggy bank, they just have to shut these people out of Trek. Of that I think they are guaranteed success.

No they don't have to deal with the donors, they will blame CBS/P and the lawsuit. Alec can rent the studio to any non Star Trek production (and there are many of them). Again, its business and prospective productions looking to rent a studio may not know or even care about what happened with Axanar. Alec's rep a producer would be tarnished, but he would still have studio to rent and a prop company run.
 
^ This. AP 'sorta told' donors money would go towards studio that would make other productions; the fact he can't make his Axanar film as promised is all that nasty C/P fault :D
 
I hope he doesn't have to make that 'sorta told' argument to a judge.

Making it to pseudo-anonymous kickstarter backers is of course easier. (if you have no character)
 
No they don't have to deal with the donors, they will blame CBS/P and the lawsuit. Alec can rent the studio to any non Star Trek production (and there are many of them). Again, its business and prospective productions looking to rent a studio may not know or even care about what happened with Axanar. Alec's rep a producer would be tarnished, but he would still have studio to rent and a prop company run.

The reason I think they will have to deal with donors is that there have been several actions brought against Kickstarter projects which did not deliver their promised results. The context was "consumer protection" and the actors were state government offices of consumer protection, or Attorney General.

If Axanar blames C/P for not being able to create a Trek film, then the question of whether this risk was properly advised to the donors arises, both in terms of how much exposure the Axanar management was creating by for profit efforts like model kits, etc (and all the big stuff), and in how well the exposure was stated in the donation prospectus.

I believe one could make the case that the statement of the risk to donors was so imperfect that the campaigns (2nd Kickstarter, and perhaps 3 Indiegogo) were defectively executed, and donors are entitled to a settlement if there is an actual remaining asset, and in particular, a corporate entity holding that asset paid for with donor funds.

I also believe that the issue of unaccountable donor projects is becoming ripe for regulation. This could become a test case. The decision to locate in California may not be the most fortuitous in this circumstance.
 
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The thing that ... eh ... I don't even know how to describe it - see, I have worked temp jobs. You bring (maybe) your favorite travel mug, perhaps a photo or two. A wrist rest if you don't get one. But you set aside all your creature comforts and you leave them at home. And this is even for a yearlong contract.

Why?

Because everything you bring in, you need to move right back out, once the contract is up. It's a pain in the patoot (to use the technical term, sushi fans). Plus you really don't want to be dealing with breakable stuff, round trip.

This does not look like temporary digs, once we're done, we're done. It looks like the long haul.
I think the studio is the prize Alec & Co. wanted when they realized how much money they could get from crowd-funding. And I think it's no mistake Propworx is located at Ares Studios. Donors pay for (excuse me, donate) the infrastructure for an Ares Studios "original" t.v. series and/or movie, then Alec sells off what can't be repurposed back to his donors as "collectors items."
 
Just a reminder from Axanar's Kickstarter page:

"Risks and Challenges

"There are always risks and challenges when making a film - actors dropping out, locations and/or sets not available, unforeseen costs, equipment trouble, etc. In addition, 'Star Trek' is a licensed property of CBS and so they have the final say in any Star Trek venture. However, the Axanar team has dealt with CBS and knows the landscape that must be navigated. Every member of the Axanar team is a professional who has proven their skills on other projects and films."


"CBS has the final say--except we don't believe they actually do."

For what it's worth....
 
Just a reminder from Axanar's Kickstarter page:

"Risks and Challenges

"There are always risks and challenges when making a film - actors dropping out, locations and/or sets not available, unforeseen costs, equipment trouble, etc. In addition, 'Star Trek' is a licensed property of CBS and so they have the final say in any Star Trek venture. However, the Axanar team has dealt with CBS and knows the landscape that must be navigated. Every member of the Axanar team is a professional who has proven their skills on other projects and films."

Yes, the way this notice fails to itemize the high risks of certain actions, and the projects' intent to take those actions, is what I am referencing.
 
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They've shot their credibility to such a degree, I'm not sure whether or not this is made up?
well they have a studio
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HA! Man, there's some pretty hi-fi jokes being thrown around in this thread. I guess the two hours was spent adding the backdrop in post?
well I do have to work...

On Twitter, defending the studio as //not// a revenue-producer, Robert Burnett says: "We have a perk "store" for donors and our studio is a liability. All monies go back into production."

I've a feeling that studio may prove a bigger liability than they anticipated.

IIRC from my accounting for business a studio would be an asset, which they could write off ass a deprecating asset.
 
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My favorite part of it is the blatant and unapologetic cash grab price hiking from the listing page to the actual item pages for example, the "Ares" starship model kit ... $84.95 ( :eek: )

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Except, OH NOES! It's not! It's actually $101.95!


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