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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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muCephi said:
believe me I am not having anything to say about any personal relationships or seeking anyone to put themselves in any position other than what they feel is right. I simply find this bait and switch of turning "make no money, period" into "make no net money after unlimited runs at CBS IP-derived income is used to equip a studio and pay operating expenses and salaries and convention visits and etc" to be flat out wrong, and hope that the Ax people eventually come to see it for themselves and put an end to it, either build their own truly volunteer project, or walk away, or whatever it takes to undo that whole business model and the consequences it has had for donors and themselves.
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Well I am on of the ones that made NO money on this venture, and I am also a donor as well. I joined the production as a fan for my love of trek so I am going to leave it at that.
 
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Titan Designer said:
Well I am on of the ones that made NO money on this venture, and I am also a donor as well. I joined the production as a fan for my love of trek so I am going to leave it at that.
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thanks for understanding I am not criticizing you. a great fan film done on the up and up as per the money requirements of the IP holders would have been very welcome to me personally because it would not have brought down the house. next time!
 
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Karzak said:
@MikeH92467:
Private page. All that link does is take us to the main (blank) page for the Axanar Fan Group. Got a screenshot?
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Eh sorry. I guess I have managed not to be identified as a "hater". I don't have the technical skill to do a screencap. Maybe someone else can do that. I will say that the picture is a group shot of AP and company having a triumphant dinner at a Phoenix area restaurant. I don't know what this "world tour" is supposed to prove, but it does make me wonder how seriously this lawsuit is being taken.
 
Ah gotcha. No worries. Having seen the wrong end of Peters' deranged and psychotic reactions to his critics, I don't blame you one bit for wishing to not be "identified."
 
Thinking of how people are reacting to this situation and fan films in general, I have to wonder where the "All fan films suck and should be shut down" people have been. This is the kind of situation there would be salivation over.
 
Bhodi Li said:
Thinking of how people are reacting to this situation and fan films in general, I have to wonder where the "All fan films suck and should be shut down" people have been. This is the kind of situation there would be salivation over.
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I would like to think they represent a tiny community of trolls who probably would not find this a very receptive place for that kind of nonsense.
 
True, but even on other sites I haven't seen much of it. There was one guy who used to call for everyone to be shut down and he claimed information that would have people arrested and blah blah blah, bonk bonk on the head.
 
Bhodi Li said:
Thinking of how people are reacting to this situation and fan films in general, I have to wonder where the "All fan films suck and should be shut down" people have been. This is the kind of situation there would be salivation over.
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I honestly think that you can be opposed to Alec, Terry, Axanar etc. AND be a fan and supporter of Fan films. If you don't like fan films you can just ignore them.. who care's if there is a youtube channel of Trek Fan Films?

But if you like Fan Films, you have to be bothered by what Axanar is doing. The idea that a Fan Film needs hundreds of Thousands of dollars, that they need multiple fundraisers, That's not true and lots of fan films prove that, it's too bad Axanar has been over shadowing them.

And at this point, despite what Axanar claims they are fighting against other fan films. I don't understand why they don't settle. Pushing CBS like this could force them to crush the entire community of fan films.
Sorry to ramble but my point is People who like fan films would like to see Axanar put out of bussiness, people who don't like fan films probably don't care enough to salivate over it.
 
Spending time with a production that didn't believe in the Social Funding option (and yes there are ones that operate mainly on their own money) I feel it would be a huge error to shut down all Trek Fan productions. I know of very talented people from many studios that spend nearly every day consumed with Star Trek. Now imagine if they spent time on something else in direct competition to the Star Trek franchise. Thousands of brilliant minds creating new adventures, strange new worlds, new ships and boldly going where no CBS/Paramount franchise has ever been.
Anyway, I'm sure the franchise has considered this and doubt they would go that far.
Right?
 
Bhodi Li said:
Thinking of how people are reacting to this situation and fan films in general, I have to wonder where the "All fan films suck and should be shut down" people have been. This is the kind of situation there would be salivation over.
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I too pledged to the first full feature Axanar KS (to the tune of $75.)

If you'd like to see how I've reacted to other fan films recently, here are some links to comments I've made on two releases by other Star Trek fan film groups:
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star...-length-fan-film.231925/page-12#post-11484631
http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-holiest-thing-released.278526/#post-11430517
^^^
So if you think that makes me a 'fan film hater' more power to you. I feel I'm more of a hate to be conned by an egotistical narcissist type person, as my biggest problem with Mr. Alec Peters is the constant doublespeak of:
"It's a fan film"/"It's the first independent Star Trek film"
or
"All the Axanar backers are fine with me paying myself a salary..."
Because AS a Axanar backer, I'm NOT fine with that...
or
"We're (Axanar) no different from other Star Trek fan film groups..."
Really? Because Axanar sure likes to espouse of what they perceive as 'quality' issues of many other fan film groups; which Mr. Peters claims they (Axanar) will not have because of all the industry professionals he's gathered...so, yeah, I guess he's 'like every other fan film group' as it suits his particular narrative (IE to the backers Axanar is 'professional'/yet in all the court responses Axanar is 'just like all the other groups.'

Also, show me ANY other Star Trek fan film group that's paying their head producer (in Axanar's case Mr. Alec Peters, who ISN'T a member in any standing Hollywood union, SAG, WGA, PGA, etc.) - because I think that's one main difference between Axanar and EVERY other Star trek fan film group. Mr. Peters by his own admission paid himself 38,000 in 2015 - which works out to approximately $18.00 per hour (quite above 'minimum wage' which is what he claims said salary equates to - and then there's also the deferred/unlisted salary amount he's paid his girlfriend.) Not to mention all the various travel expenses (paid from backer funds) to travel to, pay admission/entrance fees, and hotel room for various film festivals and Star Trek or Science Fiction conventions. Seems backer money is spent on everything BUT actual filming.

There's also the fact the Mr. Peters misrepresents what he (and many other fan film groups) claims is CBS 'unwritten code' for Star Trek fan films - that the film sees "no profit" - but that's NOT even how those other fan films relate it because it's more that 'no one (outside of those in Hollywood unions who must be paid scale - like in student films) have ANY financial gain' <--- and that's important because Mr. Peters 38K annual salary certainly is - as is the rental and renovation of studio space that Mr. Peters has admitted SEVERAL times in video blogs that he plans to make use of for other 'for profit' productions.

So, in the end, I have enjoyed and support Star Trek fan films. What I don't care to support are egregious liars and con artists. I have no one to blame but myself though as I saw and liked "Prelude to Axanar" and pledged for "Axanar" without really researching the business/transaction history of Mr. Alec Peters. But if you still want to see me as a 'Star trek fan film hater'; that's your opinion and your entitled to it.
 
I didn't say you were a hater. I was just wondering where a previously vocal segment of fandom had gone.
 
#1RealTrekFan said:
I think we should all be thankful Tobias didn't go antisemitic on trekbbs. Then again, I wonder what does he mean by "a very dark place"?
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WTH? What kind of a statement is this? Are you looking for trouble?

Keep this kind of thing off of the board or you'll be joining him in exile. Just because he's German it's no reason to say such a thing. That's total bullshit and racist.
 
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Also, show me ANY other Star Trek fan film group that's paying their head producer (in Axanar's case Mr. Alec Peters, who ISN'T a member in any standing Hollywood union, SAG, WGA, PGA, etc.) - because I think that's one main difference between Axanar and EVERY other Star trek fan film group. Mr. Peters by his own admission paid himself 38,000 in 2015 - which works out to approximately $18.00 per hour (quite above 'minimum wage' which is what he claims said salary equates to - and then there's also the deferred/unlisted salary amount he's paid his girlfriend.) Not to mention all the various travel expenses (paid from backer funds) to travel to, pay admission/entrance fees, and hotel room for various film festivals and Star Trek or Science Fiction conventions. Seems backer money is spent on everything BUT actual filming.
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Alec actually is/was a member of SAG. He conned his way in back in 2014. (We discussed it here, a few weeks ago.) How, do you think, did he pay for union dues?
 
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jespah said:
CBS/Paramount is asking for damages - $150k per infringement. Note: the $150k amount is significant. Per
17 U.S. Code § 504, "(c)Statutory Damages.—
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In a case where the copyright owner sustains the burden of proving, and the court finds, that infringement was committed willfully, the court in its discretion may increase the award of statutory damages to a sum of not more than $150,000. "

Essentially what this is saying is that the plaintiffs as going for the highest amount they can get under the statute.

And I definitely see your point re the 'ripeness' argument. If the film is ever made, then the defense is open to, at the very least, a boatload of scrutiny. In the meantime, plenty of preexisting stuff is out there.
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Oh, and we talked about the case on the show again today. Here is the blog post link:
http://www.gandtshow.com/g-t-show-227-answer-steve-buscemi/

And a great show it was as always informative and good for a laugh.
YouTube is going up later. As always, thank you for your kind support.
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