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There are parts of "Tattoo" I really like.Was that because of the costumes? As for me I really liked them. I sometimes have the impression that in the world of Star Trek most aliens follow the same dress code. Here there was at least variety.
For me the strangest aliens were the ones in THE RAVEN and INFINITE REGRESS. I thought there was something unnatural about their clothes ...
BTW, what's an angry fruit salad?
Oh, I love TATTOO. What was wrong with the sky spirits? I found them interesting.
As for me, I don't like NEMESIS that much. It's an okay episode in my book. I mean I like all VOY eps (except FURY) but I think Voyager is basically a light-hearted show and NEMESIS was too dark for that. Such episodes would do much better on Deep Space Nine.
I like the flashbacks to Chakotay's childhood but dislike the fact presented that Native Americans are descendants of aliens from outer space. I find that discriminating.
Therefore I would have prefferred something similar as "Nemesis" with Chakotay stranded on a jungle planet having flashbacks to his youth.
What I really like with "Tattoo" Is the subplot with The Doctor's simulated flu. Hilarious!
As for "Nemesis", I really like that episode. But it's a matter of taste I guess.
Thomas Eugene, thank you very much for the invitation to take a look at your handiwork here. Honestly, I hadn't looked at the thread and most likely wouldn't have just because of the title. I'm quite gratified now to have done so. As to your constructions here, they seem really to be in a different realm than the creation I commented on recently. I view that as a summary for the series, giving space to intuit meaning to each character, but really making a general statement on your impression of what the totality of the show communicated, from the placement and blocking of characters to the font type choices. What we are seeing hear are clearly individual vignettes of a particular theme or episode and, consequently, are much richer in detail of the specific subject matter. To whatever degree the specificity of the depiction is revelatory, IMO one is left with the desire to learn more, following up on a compelling image or type of stylization that you have chosen to represent. Frankly, although they are meant to tie-in to the overall impression being fostered and are not insignificant facets in themselves, I found that I really paid little attention to the font size and type, as compelling as all of the other elements of the presentations are.
Interestingly, I found these oddly redolent of the format and impact of trading cards. In fact, I can genuinely see them as having great interest as collectibles if they were rendered as such. Perhaps, others made such comments earlier in the thread, which I didn't read through, but nevertheless that is the sense I almost immediately perceived in viewing them. In any event, they are extremely attractive conceptual pieces of art and you deserve many plaudits for conceiving and executing them!!!!!
Interestingly, I found these oddly redolent of the format and impact of trading cards. In fact, I can genuinely see them as having great interest as collectibles if they were rendered as such. Perhaps, others made such comments earlier in the thread, which I didn't read through, but nevertheless that is the sense I almost immediately perceived in viewing them. In any event, they are extremely attractive conceptual pieces of art and you deserve many plaudits for conceiving and executing them!!!!!
I can understand how Lynx feels a little. I was a big fan of LOST and one of my favorite characters was Charlie (because of Dominic Monaghan) and after he left the show in the third season I lost my enthusiasm for it. I did continue to watch it but it was just not the same. At least when he came back for guest spots he came back as himself and not some weird person that we didn't recognize.
I am part Native American (reservation born tribal member although I did not grow up on the reservation) and if you want to know why Tattoo is so offensive I suggest you watch the video review of it over at Sci Fi Debris. It would have been so much better if they had made Chakotay a member of a REAL Native American tribe and researched their beliefs and customs and presented him that way instead of making things up. It is a dream of mine that some day they will have a new Native American character and fix this.
The Wallpapers are great. Keep it up!
I am part Native American (reservation born tribal member although I did not grow up on the reservation) and if you want to know why Tattoo is so offensive I suggest you watch the video review of it over at Sci Fi Debris. It would have been so much better if they had made Chakotay a member of a REAL Native American tribe and researched their beliefs and customs and presented him that way instead of making things up. It is a dream of mine that some day they will have a new Native American character and fix this.
The Wallpapers are great. Keep it up!
There are parts of "Tattoo" I really like.
I like the flashbacks to Chakotay's childhood but dislike the fact presented that Native Americans are descendants of aliens from outer space. I find that discriminating.
Therefore I would have prefferred something similar as "Nemesis" with Chakotay stranded on a jungle planet having flashbacks to his youth.
What I really like with "Tattoo" Is the subplot with The Doctor's simulated flu. Hilarious!
As for "Nemesis", I really like that episode. But it's a matter of taste I guess.
I can understand how Lynx feels a little. I was a big fan of LOST and one of my favorite characters was Charlie (because of Dominic Monaghan) and after he left the show in the third season I lost my enthusiasm for it. I did continue to watch it but it was just not the same. At least when he came back for guest spots he came back as himself and not some weird person that we didn't recognize.
I am part Native American (reservation born tribal member although I did not grow up on the reservation) and if you want to know why Tattoo is so offensive I suggest you watch the video review of it over at Sci Fi Debris. It would have been so much better if they had made Chakotay a member of a REAL Native American tribe and researched their beliefs and customs and presented him that way instead of making things up. It is a dream of mine that some day they will have a new Native American character and fix this.
The Wallpapers are great. Keep it up!
Lynx and stardream,
Do you think you could sum this up for me? I started to listen to that "review" but all I heard was "black penis" and "blonde with big tits". I found this kind of language offensive and stopped listening.
Since I'm not American (and have never been there), I haven't got the faintest idea why this episode might even remotely be offensive. I found it beautiful. So could you enlighten me? Thanks.
stardream,
Thanks for your encouragement. there are a lot more to come and I'm really happy you like these wallpapers. Please see also my comments to Drone.
Thomas Eugene, thank you very much for the invitation to take a look at your handiwork here. Honestly, I hadn't looked at the thread and most likely wouldn't have just because of the title. I'm quite gratified now to have done so. As to your constructions here, they seem really to be in a different realm than the creation I commented on recently. I view that as a summary for the series, giving space to intuit meaning to each character, but really making a general statement on your impression of what the totality of the show communicated, from the placement and blocking of characters to the font type choices. What we are seeing hear are clearly individual vignettes of a particular theme or episode and, consequently, are much richer in detail of the specific subject matter. To whatever degree the specificity of the depiction is revelatory, IMO one is left with the desire to learn more, following up on a compelling image or type of stylization that you have chosen to represent. Frankly, although they are meant to tie-in to the overall impression being fostered and are not insignificant facets in themselves, I found that I really paid little attention to the font size and type, as compelling as all of the other elements of the presentations are.
Interestingly, I found these oddly redolent of the format and impact of trading cards. In fact, I can genuinely see them as having great interest as collectibles if they were rendered as such. Perhaps, others made such comments earlier in the thread, which I didn't read through, but nevertheless that is the sense I almost immediately perceived in viewing them. In any event, they are extremely attractive conceptual pieces of art and you deserve many plaudits for conceiving and executing them!!!!!
Drone,
First off, I love your name. Can I assume that the borg are your favourite enemy?
Secondly, my wallpapers have received compliments before but never in my life have they been praised in this way. Seriously, I blushed. Thanks for your kind words.
As for these wallpapers, the whole things started when I discovered that I could have my wallpapers changed in Windows every 15 minutes. I decided to look for some on the Internet. I found a few, but I didn't like the majority of them - perhaps I wasn't looking in the right places. So I decided to start making them.
At the beginning, all I did was montages because I wasn't really familiar with the quirks of GIMP. You can see that my early wallpapers - e.g. those for RESOLUTIONS and SCORPION (two particular favourite eps of mine) - are not that elaborate yet. Also, the first few of any given episode are not too complicated, either because all of them were made at the beginning of my "GIMP career" (fyi, GIMP is like a free version of Photoshop - but you might know that).
Later I started learning about the more sophisticated features of the programme and started experimenting with them. The more difficult things took (and still take) some time - but I think I can say I've learnt a lot. At least I took this thing to the point where I started enjoying making these wallpapers and now I can say that making them is at least as much joy as watching the episodes themselves. By making them I kind of relive the episodes but from a different point of view.
Most of my ideas are my own. I just sit down, start doodling and sooner or later I find that an idea is starting to take shape. If I like it, I usually put it into practice.
But of course, I admit that occasionally I borrow ideas - mostly from other artists. Don't worry, technically speaking this is not stealing from them. What I mean is that I see a good wallpaper - e.g. for StarGate, which I also like - and then I suddenly think: Oh, wouldn't it be great to do something like this with Voyager? So some of my pictures are inspired by wallpapers for other shows.
There's a only one series (=10 pictures) which were modelled on trading cards but I haven't published any of those here yet - so it is interesting that you brought that up. Nevertheless, they will come.
All in all, I just hope that people are entertained when they see these pictures. They were pretty popular on Facebook before my account was deactivated. I thought that what they had done to me was unfair (to say the least) so I decided not to go back. I'm glad I've found this website where I can publish them.
So far no one has expressed dislike, which I'm really happy about. But this doesn't mean everybody has to like them - if I receive constructive criticism, I'm actually happy about that. What I didn't like on Facebook was when my pictures were criticized because somebody didn't like an episode (HUMAN ERROR was the most prominent example) . I'm sorry but I can't be blamed for the content of an ep. I just use the input material so if people don't like my picture that's fine. But if they dont like the episode, they should turn to the producers, I think.
REVULSION
And for today here's a third wallpaper, which I published on another thread, too:
Sorry about the video. I normally put a 'language disclaimer' up when I link to that site and I didn't this time. Oops.
The problem with Tattoo is the idea is that Native Americans were not capable of building unique societies and creating a culture on their own but that they needed 'help' from white sky spirits. The Native Americans had civilizations, art, cities, trade routes and representative government (the representative government we have now has some of its roots in the Iroquois Confederacy) long before the Europeans showed up. That's the side of pre-contact Indigenous life I wish would be highlighted instead of whatever it was that showed up in this episode.
The problem with Tattoo is the idea is that Native Americans were not capable of building unique societies and creating a culture on their own but that they needed 'help' from white sky spirits. The Native Americans had civilizations, art, cities, trade routes and representative government (the representative government we have now has some of its roots in the Iroquois Confederacy) long before the Europeans showed up. That's the side of pre-contact Indigenous life I wish would be highlighted instead of whatever it was that showed up in this episode.
I see. For me this kind of thing does not seem to be offensive - but if it does for you, I accept it. I guess if I were in a situation in which members of a more advanced species helped me develop faster, I would experience this kind of intervention as a sure sign of their good intentions and not as a proof of their assumption that I might not be capable of developing my own civilization or my own culture.
However, as I said I'm not American and this is probably a more contentious issue there so I understand that it offends some people. To me this episode will remain one of those beautiful ones in which humans have not yet lost contact with nature entirely and Chakotay only understands the significance of this as an adult and therefore starts to appreciate his own heritage more than he used to when he was young.
However, as I said I'm not American and this is probably a more contentious issue there so I understand that it offends some people. To me this episode will remain one of those beautiful ones in which humans have not yet lost contact with nature entirely and Chakotay only understands the significance of this as an adult and therefore starts to appreciate his own heritage more than he used to when he was young.
SCORPION
SACRED GROUND
As for me, I agree with stardream in his criticizm. They should have left out that thing with Native Americans needing "help" from Sky Spirits. They should also have made Chakotay a member of a real tribe.
When I watch Voyager, I always consider Chakotay a Mayan.
"Tattoo" was an episode which could have been much better.
That's all right. We don't have to agree on everything. To me this is one of the best episodes of Season 2 - without any racism or that kind of thing.
Let's see what we do agree on. E.g. here's Neelix - I guess we can agree that quite a lot of us like him:
SCORPION
DAY OF HONOR
NEMESIS
I like Neelix!That's all right. We don't have to agree on everything. To me this is one of the best episodes of Season 2 - without any racism or that kind of thing.
Let's see what we do agree on. E.g. here's Neelix - I guess we can agree that quite a lot of us like him:
Sometimes I joke about him and sometimes he acted like a psycho.
But I really like him!
Voyager woldn't have been the same without him.
LOST IN THE DELTA QUADRANT
ALICETrix ... this one's for you ...
And for everyone else who like ALICE ...
Or my wallpapers ...
Or both ..
ALICE?
This is ALICE!
Oh my God ...ALICE
ALICE?
This is ALICE!
Who is this? Some famous person, I take it ...
Nevertheless he looks horrible ... desecrating Tom's beauty (and everyone else's beauty on Voyager) ...
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