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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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If it's a much older version it's going to be harder to determine who passed it on to others.
It's a fair bet that Peters showed the script around to people when he was trying to recruit a staff and crew - including people who worked on other fan films or even produced them.
In the past two months he's done everything possible to insult and to alienate that whole community short of finding their homes and poisoning their pets.
So the suspect list might be pretty extensive.
It's a fair bet that Peters showed the script around to people when he was trying to recruit a staff and crew - including people who worked on other fan films or even produced them.
In the past two months he's done everything possible to insult and to alienate that whole community short of finding their homes and poisoning their pets.
So the suspect list might be pretty extensive.
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If one of the leaks is an early draft written by Alec himself I guarantee you it will be mediocre at best, and more likely bad. And that's not a slam against Alec per se but screenwriting is HARD and I've never seen a beginners' first script that was any damned good (including my own), especially not a beginner without a lot of experience writing narrative.
A lot of my predictions apply to most fanfilms, and everything said about the Axanar story to date gives me no confidence that any early drafts of the scripts didn't warp headlong into the Briar Patch (as in Uncle Remus, not Insurrection) that is name-checking dot-connecting Admiral-Skyping "shields at fuckit %" pew pew pew lame-banterland that is endemic in Trek fanfilm making.
A lot of my predictions apply to most fanfilms, and everything said about the Axanar story to date gives me no confidence that any early drafts of the scripts didn't warp headlong into the Briar Patch (as in Uncle Remus, not Insurrection) that is name-checking dot-connecting Admiral-Skyping "shields at fuckit %" pew pew pew lame-banterland that is endemic in Trek fanfilm making.
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You mean the kind of stuff we write while drunkenly showering - the 345932423423423 pages of exposition bracketed by a few lines of "I'll fill in the action scene later?"
You can link to a copy of the stipulation to extend the hearing date on AxaMonitor.
Ah. I get ya.
I still expect a few "sit down and talk about stuff all the characters should already know so that the audience can catch up on things that the writers should have revealed in a far more interesting way" scenes.
The actors seemed to speak favorably of the script, so I am certainly curious as to its quality. Its a totally separate issue from how this film has been executed but it could affect the overall perception of this as a pure cynical vanity project/business play, or a brilliant writer in over their head with enthusiasm.
Heh, I have a friend who wrote a Trek fan film script, he purposely avoided all of those things, then the director/producers told him to fill it with the usual tropes because they felt it wasn't "Star Trek" enough.
Since they've been calling the Axanar script "the greatest Star Trek script ever", I've been wondering about something.
It seems like people aren't expecting much beyond having a lot of the cliches to which fan films are prone. If someone thinks the script's going to be bad, and it is bad, at least it would meet that person's expectations. On the other hand, if you're expecting a bad script, and it turns out to be good/great, it exceeded your expectations.
Then again, if it's just okay, would that be worse? I guess what I'm asking is, what would be worse for Axanar, for the script to be bad when people aren't expecting much, or just okay, thus damning it with faint praise?
It seems like people aren't expecting much beyond having a lot of the cliches to which fan films are prone. If someone thinks the script's going to be bad, and it is bad, at least it would meet that person's expectations. On the other hand, if you're expecting a bad script, and it turns out to be good/great, it exceeded your expectations.
Then again, if it's just okay, would that be worse? I guess what I'm asking is, what would be worse for Axanar, for the script to be bad when people aren't expecting much, or just okay, thus damning it with faint praise?
I wonder if the release of the script - or at least a version of it - will be a bigger blow to Alec's ego that the law suit. For so long he has been trumpeting how amazing this film is going to be, and wouldn't it be a hoot if a goodly chunk of his devoted fans were turned off when they realized just how terrible his script is?
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Notwithstanding all the #$%^&* business stuff I'd still like to give him the benefit of the doubt on this until it is clear. Great writing is great writing and if the claims prove out, it should be recognized as such. Maybe he should just drop being a producer and be a writer. Who knows yet.
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Again, unless this is a RECENT script it's going to be hard to judge. If there was, in fact, a "page one rewrite" the script could be better (or worse) even if it contains the same story beats.
If you were to read the draft of the feature script I was hired to rewrite, you could rightfully say it was rubbish (it was), but it was a second draft, and while many of the characters and story beats are the same, my rewrites deviated so far from it that a critique of it would have next to nothing to do with my draft (good or bad).
As such, if the Axanar scripts in question are more than a year old they're only going to tell you what it was, not what it is. If so, as much as I am skeptical about this whole production/fiasco, I don't know what reviewing the scripts will accomplish other than to Spoiler the story elements.
If you were to read the draft of the feature script I was hired to rewrite, you could rightfully say it was rubbish (it was), but it was a second draft, and while many of the characters and story beats are the same, my rewrites deviated so far from it that a critique of it would have next to nothing to do with my draft (good or bad).
As such, if the Axanar scripts in question are more than a year old they're only going to tell you what it was, not what it is. If so, as much as I am skeptical about this whole production/fiasco, I don't know what reviewing the scripts will accomplish other than to Spoiler the story elements.
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I cannot believe that this thread has reached 500 pages.
Certainly one for the history books.
Certainly one for the history books.
500 pages - praise the Lord
Forget that ... it's almost to 10,000 posts. 
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