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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I know it seems unheard of that people would continue to donate to something, when it seems obvious to others that they shouldn't be donating anything anymore (or maybe even anything at all).

But that is society. Many times we act before we think, and while we are all guilty of it at one time or another, some are guilty of it more often than others.

Think about the Nigerian bank scams and other things that we see in our email boxes and know better of. But then you wonder, "Why do they keep trying? Do people really fall for this?" And the answer is yes, they do. Watch "Judge Judy" sometimes or "The People's Court" and you will see this happening over and over and over again.

Just this past week, for example, a woman sued a guy over the cost of renting a ZipCar to take from Pittsburgh to Atlanta. Now, if you're familiar with ZipCars, you know they are meant to be local, short-term rentals. Instead of just going to Enterprise or Budget and getting a car for like $50 a day plus gas, the ZipCar charges were more than $1,000. For a single weekend trip. They could've bought an old used car to take, and that would make more sense.

Then there was another rental car situation where a mother let her adult daughter use her credit card to rent a car, and bring her kids from Connecticut to South Carolina. Instead of the daughter returning the car, however, she lived in it for about 70 days, and claimed her mother had OKayed it. But that made no sense, because the cost of the rental went over $3,000. and for that much, her mother could've paid a deposit and at least two months rent on an apartment for her (which would've lasted a lot longer and been more comfortable than sleeping in a car).

But it happens. We get sold on something, but then don't think of the financial side. It's like those extended car warranties that these companies try to push. My 82-year-old father was convinced to buy one, and then he mentioned it to me. The total cost of this warranty was more than the car value itself. In order for him to use this halfway cost-effectively, he would have to get a new transmission, a new engine and well, a new car. In fact, I told my dad if he was going to spend as much on repairs as he was with the warranty, he should just get a new car.

These people aren't stupid. Like I said, they see something they like, and they don't think it through. They don't want to ask questions.

And the fact is, a lot of the general fandom doesn't understand how filmmaking works. They don't understand about copyrights. They probably really believe that, as a fan, they can do whatever they want with Star Trek, as if Gene meant this creation to be a gift from him in the heavens to fans below.

You tell them that it's obscene to spend $300,000 on studio space, and they don't even understand — even when you point out that they could've easily done it for a third of the cost, and had plenty of money left over to pay Tony Todd's alleged salary demands, with money left over for even more sushi.

Then we are told it's none of our business. Let them spend their money they way they want to. But it's not their money. It's not like Peters and Burnett are bankrolling this using their own money. If so, go to town. That was my argument with the Galileo prop — if you want to use your own money to basically create a replica, go to town. But don't ask fans to fund such a silly thing for you.

They are using fan money for this, and asking fans for more and more. And because these fans want to see Star Trek, they will pay whatever it takes to make it happen.

I was at the very first Star Trek convention Jeri Ryan was a guest at. I think only two episodes of her as Seven of Nine had even aired at that point, and this was a Vulkon somewhere in the Tampa Bay area. She had her glove and her eye prosthetic from the show, which had since been replaced. Right there on the stage, she auctioned it for charity, without warning, and sold both for about $2,200 total.

People are passionate about what they like, and are not afraid to spend money to support it. And many can afford it, but many also cannot. Whether they can afford it or not, I think anyone who exploits that passion (and I don't mean "exploit" in the negative sense, but in the more literal sense) needs to make sure they deliver what they promise. Period.

That is the biggest thing that upsets me about this Axanar thing, even ahead of the copyright infringement. But the infringement is there, in my opinion. They funded their commercial studio from the donations for their fan film. They collected salaries. They traveled around the world attending conventions.

But the one thing they haven't done with all that money yet? It's make a movie. I keep hearing excuses as to why it's not done ... but those are just excuses. You have a ton of money, you have an experience indie director -- why on Earth can't you get the movie done, or at least cast?

It makes me wonder what this whole scheme is about. And makes me question the true intentions of what would be done with this money. Not making any accusations, of course, but just expressing my opinion on what this whole thing is all about.
 
Yep, snitch out your fellow fan filmmakers and put them down at the same time. Classy.
This whole thing is a replay of how Propworx came to be. Alec started collecting Star Trek props and costumes in 2006, with the Christies auction. Then in 2007, It's a Wrap (IAW) started selling the rest of the screenused/production made stuff on weekly eBay auctions. Right away he decided he was an expert and started his Star Trek Props, Costumes, and Auctions blog and forum. He had a special section just to tell us all what IAW was doing wrong. He complained to them a lot, talked to them a lot, presented himself as the expert and also bought things directly from them. He had LOTS of ideas how an auction should be run.

Then when he started Propworx, he used his Richard Hatch connection to present himself as an expert and got the contract to sell BSG. He got his girlfriend to do the art, a member of the forum to do photography, and so on. One couple I know, Alec offered to "put them up" if they came to Vancouver on their honeymoon. They worked like dogs and were "put up" on a sofabed in his living room. On their honeymoon.

To be continued. I get sick thinking about it and coffee is calling for me.
 
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Actually, I don't have a problem with that. It's marketing and it works to drum up more business (whoops, I mean "donations"). I see it as a legitimate expense. Leasing an expensive studio in the Hollywood area and taking forever to build a set? Not so much.

Without the latter, there's no need for the former.
 
You know what's ground breaking? What it means for the rest of fan films.

More like thin-ice-that-fan-films-stand-on breaking?

I haven't heard why they were moving the servers. I wonder if they removed them from Ares Studio. Also, there was something about a co-location or something. Are they moving out of Ares studio before it gets shut down?

"Moving servers" these days is usually just reloacating your site's code from one hosting datacenter to another. Most small operations don't actually maintain their own servers, unless they need another business expense or something.

...then Para/CBS took notice and said "I DON'T THINK SO SPANKY" and then boom, LAWSUIT.
400+ pages later - Still waiting on the trial to happen, should be, enlightening to say the least ;-)

Unless AP's camp wants a prompt settlement, there could be lengthy (months and months, with depositions, audits, etc.) discovery. Buy a popcorn cart.

The way this has been developing it's become rather evident this was never about bringing a great fan film to fans, this was about Alec Peters becoming a Hollywood hot shot producer.

... then it's all about him and his fame, not about doing service to Star Trek fans.

It's called a fan film, but by design of AP as stated in a TrekMovie interview, the only fan in *any* role was AP ("we are using professionals in all acting roles"). So it is more of "a fan" film. Also, a professional directs, professionals hold key roles, AP stated his intent was the staff is all professional, and that it is "fan" because they would work for less than normal rates. Also, there's the oft repeated AP phrase, "this is a film by fans, for fans". By fans (himself), and for fans (donors who agree with his CGI preview's "trueness"). By appearances, AP mounting a professional production and launching his studio, and the word "fan" being used to paper over the underlying differences between this and a CBS-sanctioned "fan film", one by one.

Does this redefinition of the common understanding of terms sound familiar? Axanar is a "nonprofit" production, for example?


I hope these AP statements make it out into the blogosphere for the current round of coverage.

But the one thing they haven't done with all that money yet? It's make a movie. I keep hearing excuses as to why it's not done ... but those are just excuses. You have a ton of money, you have an experience indie director -- why on Earth can't you get the movie done, or at least cast?

It makes me wonder what this whole scheme is about. And makes me question the true intentions of what would be done with this money. Not making any accusations, of course, but just expressing my opinion on what this whole thing is all about.

I am reminded of troubles I have heard people have with home repair/rebuilding contractors, in particular the part about blowing their promised deadlines way, way, way out. Which seems to turn out as the contractor having multiple commitments which they didn't tell you could bump your contract down the list.
 
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that pesky unconscious just keeps poppin up

https://axanar.ares.digital/
I love how they complain non-stop about the JJ Abrams movies, but there is a clip of a ship crashing into a city that looks a lot like the one in Into Darkness. The ships are also very similar to the designs in the Abrams movies. If they hate the movies so much, then why the hell are they mimiking them so closely?
So he's getting all pissy in that post because Continues was doing the exact same he is doing now.
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First, do you really think a fan film-maker could ever negotiate a license with a studio? It would never happen. There'd have to be a fundamental shift in the entertainment business. Seriously, the idea that Paramount or CBS would license a fan film the rights to Star Trek some of the dumb shit that Axanar supporters spout. Some even went so far as to contend that doing so "would be smart and forward thinking."

You don't know until you try right? The fact that CBS was listening to a fan, pitch an idea for a new Star Trek series was new territory. Never happen before. Whatever resulted from it I don't know, other than CBS just happen to announce a new TV series recently, so maybe the fan was successful with his pitch. Can anyone follow up on that? Star Trek New Voyages also got an okay from them in the past too. But I think the biggest mistake AP made is being determine to make Axanar as a full-length feature film. If he had pitched Axanar as a mini-web series broken down into 3 parts he probably would of only needed permission or a license from CBS and not Paramount as well. One license is easier to get than two. Prelude could of been his proof of concept/episode 0 to pitch this potential web series to CBS. But the moment has pass, the people are right, AP handled the situation poorly, now matter how you look at it. But atleast we got Prelude out of it. Frankly they should settle up because I doubt their will be a full-length movie moving ahead. Maybe through negotiation ask permission to produce the closing half of the documentary and convert their Axanar script to another short fan film. That could save face for AP and appease the donators. But really Para/CBS holds all the cards and wouldn't be obligated to allow anything Axanar to progress. The only reason they would is to maintain good relations with fans, but I think they know even if they take a PR hit from it, that fans will get over it eventually.
 
I love how they complain non-stop about the JJ Abrams movies, but there is a clip of a ship crashing into a city that looks a lot like the one in Into Darkness. The ships are also very similar to the designs in the Abrams movies. If they hate the movies so much, then why the hell are they mimiking them so closely?

So he's getting all pissy in that post because Continues was doing the exact same he is doing now.

Shadow wants to be Abrams. Shadow wants to be official. Jungian projection.
 
This whole thing is a replay of how Propworx came to be. Alec started collecting Star Trek props and costumes in 2006, with the Christies auction. Then in 2007, It's a Wrap (IAW) started selling the rest of the screenused/production made stuff on weekly eBay auctions. Right away he decided he was an expert and started his Star Trek Props, Costumes, and Auctions blog and forum. He had a special section just to tell us all what IAW was doing wrong. He complained to them a lot, talked to them a lot, presented himself as the expert and also bought things directly from them. He had LOTS of ideas how an auction should be run.

Then when he started Propworx, he used his Richard Hatch connection to present himself as an expert and got the contract to sell BSG. He got his girlfriend to do the art, a member of the forum to do photography, and so on. One couple I know, Alec offered to "put them up" if they came to Vancouver on their honeymoon. They worked like dogs and were "put up" on a sofabed in his living room. On their honeymoon.

To be continued. I get sick thinking about it and coffee is calling for me.

Seems that exploiting volunteer labor is a habit of his, huh?
 
But I think the biggest mistake AP made is being determine to make Axanar as a full-length feature film.

Interesting points. Would CBS really have forgiven the finances if a miniseries was made? Putting the IP-driven money into a studio and professional salaries seems more fundamentally important than licensing strategies.
 
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Maybe it was the amount raised that finally brought the hammer down... But I suspect it was salaries, they fact they were building a studio for future use, and calling it a professional film, those things are what triggered it.

And selling Trek coffee.

By Crom, these guys were idiotic.
 
Yet people keep lining up to be used. I really just don't understand it?
Well fans are...fanatical. This is what Alec takes advantage of. Plus, most folks aren't savvy about business or the law, so when Alec throws around words like "non profit", "we're not making a profit", and "I'm a lawyer" people assume everything is being run by the book.

As I've said before, I think Alec comes up with really cool ideas, does great PR, motivates the troops - then fucks it all up in the end with shady business practices and his seemingly total inability to comprehend and follow the law. Labor laws? Who cares? Copyright laws? Fuck 'em!
 
This might be my favorite Alec post from that old thread: http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/official-star-trek.169732/#post-6120673
For all of you who think CBS doesn't pay attention to what fan films do:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/a...-unused-star-trek-script-by-spinrad.html?_r=2

Phase 2 is just smart enough not to step over the line and dropped the script as soon as requested to by CBS.

And my point is, what you guys think isn't really relevant. It is what CBS, the rights holder thinks.

Except when it's what you think and do against the rights holder's wishes, right Alec?
 
You don't know until you try right? The fact that CBS was listening to a fan, pitch an idea for a new Star Trek series was new territory. Never happen before. Whatever resulted from it I don't know, other than CBS just happen to announce a new TV series recently, so maybe the fan was successful with his pitch.
Lol - Are you talking "Renegades"? Because if you are you should know they NEVER got any formal 'pitch meeting' with CBS.
 
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