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Gas Cloud Defies Black Hole

Dryson

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http://www.space.com/31524-black-ho...=10153242195916466&adbpl=fb&adbpr=17610706465

Remember that mysterious cloud of gas that was supposed to be on a collision course with the supermassive black hole in the center of our galaxy? Well, astronomers are still trying to work out why it wasn’t sucked in, and why it didn’t spark the mother of all cosmic fireworks displays.

What's good about this event is that when the process is discovered to why the black hole didn't suck the gas in then the process can be used as a method of reducing gravitational influences on a ship traveling close to the speed of light.
 
http://www.space.com/31524-black-ho...=10153242195916466&adbpl=fb&adbpr=17610706465

Remember that mysterious cloud of gas that was supposed to be on a collision course with the supermassive black hole in the center of our galaxy? Well, astronomers are still trying to work out why it wasn’t sucked in, and why it didn’t spark the mother of all cosmic fireworks displays.

What's good about this event is that when the process is discovered to why the black hole didn't suck the gas in then the process can be used as a method of reducing gravitational influences on a ship traveling close to the speed of light.
No. What you're posting, compared with what is in the article, doesn't even connect on any level with any kind of scientific process whatsoever. It's like saying that because water contains oxygen, we'll finally be able to learn how to fly into space with a pair of water wings. There's just... no connection at all with any kind of scientific reality here. None.
 
The alien craft is building a gaseous megastructure, a la Larry Niven's Smoke Ring. The reduced gravitational influence will keep it from being sucked into the black hole. The gas structure will be able to support human life. Anyone living there will be able to fly around with a pair of water wings.

You see? You see? It all fits!!!!
 
Or one could ask the unthinkable question: Is Sagittarius A* a black hole at all?

No! No! Black holes are a given. "Einstein proved them!"
 
Speaking of unscientific interpretations of black holes' event horizons and defying them, I had one of mine yesterday. I know it doesn't make sense, but I've been stuck on it, so I've got to ask, knowing well it's stupid. I need someone to tell me it's stupid.

Crazy option 1:
Is there any other means in which a body can escape after crossing the event horizon, other than Hawking radiation? I know it should be impossible - all trajectories inside an event horizon lead further inside the event horizon, you can't even be in orbit inside of it. But I only fully understood that for the case where there's zero acceleration on the black hole.

So, my question is, what happens if the black hole suddenly moves away? I am thinking of two black holes colliding - both of them experience grave acceleration due to enormous gravitational attraction, and while that cannot affect the trajectory of the objects inside the event horizon enough, it literally moves the event horizon, so is it possible for an object to suddenly happen to be outside it? I suspect that the answer is no, and I suspect that either the cause of the acceleration moves the trapped object far enough, or is the cause for the event horizon to extend further and keep the object trapped. But I am still thinking there's a way, and I want someone to tell me I am wrong.

My actual question is this: What happens if two black holes collide? Do both of them merge, now stationary at their centre of mass, combining all the matter that used to be inside either? Because that's the only possible outcome that doesn't involve event horizon violations, yet I am having trouble picturing it. I keep imagining the black holes passing through one another – or parts of them, going into scraping orbit around each other, or other scenarios that are, I imagine, very much impossible. So is that what happens? (I guess everyone in the vicinity dies, but that's not what I am asking.)

Crazy idea 2:
Can quantum tunnelling help something escape? Now quantum tunnelling is part of Hawking radiation, so yes, but that's obviously not what I mean. If a black hole is evaporating, the event horizon shrinks. So a particle tunnels out, reducing the event horizon. Is it possible for a different particle, say a photon, that used to be inside to now lie outside? (I suspect if that's possible, it's part of Hawking radiation. So it would be doubly stupid question. :) )

In short, if we can't move the object, can we move the event horizon? (It sounds really silly when you put it that way. :) )
 
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I am not qualified to say this is stupid so I will just ask a couple questions.

With respect to to option 1, if the black hole suddenly moved away, wouldn't its gravitational pull mover right alone with it, keeping a grip on objects already within its grasp?

With respect to option 2, wouldn't the black hole have to be shrinking faster than the rate of gravity within the event horizon in order to leave photon particles stranded on the outside? If so, is that possible?
 
I am not qualified to say this is stupid so I will just ask a couple questions.

With respect to to option 1, if the black hole suddenly moved away, wouldn't its gravitational pull mover right alone with it, keeping a grip on objects already within its grasp?

With respect to option 2, wouldn't the black hole have to be shrinking faster than the rate of gravity within the event horizon in order to leave photon particles stranded on the outside? If so, is that possible?
Hm. Interesting questions, made me poke even more holes in my options. :)

Option 2, which seemed the more reasonable at first, is even more problematic than I thought. The trapped particle would have to be a rare photon headed in the opposite direction of the gravitational pull (and I'm not sure that's a legitimate direction inside), and it would be indistinguishable from Hawking radiation. Any other trapped particles would be far away from the event horizon, and they can be untrapped by other means, so they aren't even interesting.

But even then it has to be so close and precise event that the uncertainty principle will take over. Like you say, the shrinking has to be quick, it has to happen in the moment of trapping (if not earlier), so the position before and after untrapping become uncertain, and well, that would make Mr. Hawking go “duh”.

So maybe a tiny black hole that's evaporating really quick? Hm.

(For option 1, I don't think the moving gravitational field would keep the object trapped, but the gravitational field moving the gravitational field certainly will.)
 
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