5 Things Star Trek Fans Must Admit About The Film Franchise

[shapeshifter]

Do some research on the movie's production and all your illusions and rationalisations will be taken away.

I don't want my illusions taken away - I need my illusions!
Seriously though, why would I purposefully seek to destroy good will I hold for something meant as entertainment?

Person 1: Something you like isn't worthy of your appreciation because X,Y,X.
Person 2: Okay, you are right. I now hate that. Thank you for setting me straight.

I just do not understand that mindset.

Actually, I don't think we've ever saw the refit in battle without first getting beat up, except maybe towards the end of The Undiscovered Country?

Correct. Only other action seen by the E-A occurred at the end of STV, Chekov moves the ship out of Klingon torpedo path just in the nick of time.

 

[BillJ]

Correct. Only other action seen by the E-A occurred at the end of STV, Chekov moves the ship out of Klingon torpedo path just in the nick of time.

Didn't they take some torpedo damage towards the end of the film, at the God planet?

 

[drt]

I believe that came down from Paramount due to the crossover success of The Voyage Home.

Yep, IV convinced the suits that "Star Trek works better as a comedy". We're probably better off that V was a critical flop, or I'm sure whatever story used for VI would have been a whole lot goofier.

Didn't they take some torpedo damage towards the end of the film, at the God planet?

Yes, it's why Spock had to go over to the Klingon ship to save Kirk

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I don't want my illusions taken away - I need my illusions!
Seriously though, why would I purposefully seek to destroy good will I hold for something meant as entertainment?

Person 1: Something you like isn't worthy of your appreciation because X,Y,X.
Person 2: Okay, you are right. I now hate that. Thank you for setting me straight.

I just do not understand that mindset.

That's not it at all. I am interested in film, I study film; it's part of my curriculum. I also watch a lot of movie critics talk about film. I also love Star Trek. It was only natural that I'd apply my knowledge, so to speak. In the case of TFF, it always bothered me and I couldn't quite put my finger on why exactly I found it so hard to suspend my disbelief. Finding out more about the production and its troubles cleared up why the film fails (in my opinion) so badly. It gives me a new understanding of the movie.

I want to like the films I see. I want to like outputs of my favourite franchises. Sometimes, I can't. Mostly, though, I can find enjoyable aspects in most everything I watch - at least I try that. You probably didn't read my other post, where I explain that mistakes don't really detract from my enjoyment of a film as long as that film manages to engage me emotionally. TFF didn't.

 

[shapeshifter]

^

Didn't they take some torpedo damage towards the end of the film, at the God planet?

Yes, it's why Spock had to go over to the Klingon ship to save Kirk

Been a while since I watched it..., time for a re-view!

 

[fireproof78]

^





Been a while since I watched it..., time for a re-view!

I just want to say "Good Luck. we're all counting on you."

 

[eyeresist]

Didn't they take some torpedo damage towards the end of the film, at the God planet?"

Yes, it's why Spock had to go over to the Klingon ship to save Kirk

That made no sense. A war bird full of trained crewmen, under orders from a friendly Klingon general, but we need Spock to personally go over there and press "fire".

And then "Not in front of the Klingons."


Remember how I was defending TFF a few posts ago?

 

[drt]

And then "Not in front of the Klingons."

Heh, I like that line, and refer to it at work occasionally (usually in reference of inappropriate things which some folks feel the need to discuss in front of partners/customers).

 

[eyeresist]

^ The line itself is funny, but in context it's stupid.

 

[Squiggy]

Exactly. The show was made in the 1960s but several storylines could easily trump what we have seen in NutTrek. The stories had more depth.
Also it looks like in STB we are going to see the Enterprise get nearly destroyed for yet a third time or maybe fully destroyed. We have never seen the NuTrek Enterprise put up a good fight. At least in TWOK we saw what the Enterprise could do in a battle. So far all we have seen in NuTrek is the Enterprise getting its butt kicked.

You mean in TWOK when the Enterprise got it's ass kicked by a smaller ship crewed by people who hadn't been in space in 20 years and was adrift until Spock stuck the magic glove into the tailpipe and then it lurched back home so badly damaged it was going to be scrapped?

Face it, it could be a galactic fart cloud or a 20 year old bird-of-prey of various sizes - the Enterprise getting it's ass kicked it a plot device for the sake of creating drama. It happened in every old Trek movie that had an Enterprise.

 

[eyeresist]

Maybe it's a tradition that in each iteration of Star Trek the Enterprise has to be destroyed.

20 years from now we'll be complaining that the latest E always seems to come through with hardly a scratch. "Blow the damn thing up! It's what Gene would have wanted."


Speaking of great TOS storylines, I'd like to see the Nu Enterprise infested with space hippies in one movie. Then Kirk would go around the ship, collar each one individually, and tell them to get a haircut and a job.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Maybe it's a tradition that in each iteration of Star Trek the Enterprise has to be destroyed.

20 years from now we'll be complaining that the latest E always seems to come through with hardly a scratch. "Blow the damn thing up! It's what Gene would have wanted."


Speaking of great TOS storylines, I'd like to see the Nu Enterprise infested with space hippies in one movie. Then Kirk would go around the ship, collar each one individually, and tell them to get a haircut and a job.

They have to stick with the times. The ship needs to be infested with space hipster millennials.

 

[cultcross]

They have to stick with the times. The ship needs to be infested with space hipster millennials.

"I hear what you're saying, but I want you to know that when you killed my son I thought that wasn't appropriate, so I'm calling you out on that in our safe space #klingonbastard"

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

You mean in TWOK when the Enterprise got it's ass kicked by a smaller ship

One, Reliant was not some shuttle; it is comparable to Enterprise and armed with the same level of weapons. Two:

crewed by people who hadn't been in space in 20 years

15 years, and thanks to their genetically enhanced minds, they are quick studies of any technology they access. That does not mean they have the abstract thinking advantages of an experienced captain, but they learned enough for a successful first strike against an unsuspecting Enterprise.

 

[CorporalClegg]

The Botany Bay people were still human. By any stretch of the imagination, it's reasonable to think that even the products of the most sophisticated eugenics (if there even is such a thing) is limited. The average IQ amongst them probably isn't significantly greater than a random sample of Ivy Leaguers. The idea that a dozen or so of them can fill the shoes of 200 other people (who're the result of three centuries' worth of technological evolution) is a bit of a stretch, especially while simultaneously trying to learn technology that is both figuratively and literally alien to them.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

^ That sounds reasonable, because our man Khan kind of let pride and vanity get in the way of intelligence and logic, which does make him look like a doofus. If he's only a regular human underneath it all, though, then that makes much more sense and may yet prevent me from monologuing about how dumb he is.

 

[Paradise City]

Henry Starling decrypted futuristic tech. If you are looking at in-universe plausibility here, it's not impossible that Kahn would make some kind of headway. Kahn also had a good look at the Enterprise tech manuals back in the day so he may not entirely be unfamiliar with what's going on and had time to mull over these things.

The silly thing, for me, isn't that - it's about Kirk's ponderous dithering whilst Reliant is clearly behaving strangely. Presumably the writers used this as a dramatic device to stimulate viewer engagement. Everyone from the audience to the wet-behind-the-ears rookie is yelling at Kirk to "raise the shields!!!!!" whilst all Kirk can do is say "that's odd" with a baffled look on his face.

You could've instead had Khan & Co play Reliant as a ship in distress and then when 'prise lowers the shields to send over a medical team.................... "zaaaaaaaap!!!!!!!! boom!".

 

[suarezguy]

As for the big 3, I love that tos Mccoy's xenophobic attacks on Spock have depth and are interesting by default and it's just him 'challenging Spock human side', yet Uhura (and Kirk) doing that in the reboot minus the racist part, and with the added context of her being someone who actually has a relationship with the guy (and also someone who knows that Spock does have feelings), is bad and useless.

McCoy's antagonism to Spock was occasionally a bit overdone but, in addition to Spock giving as much as he got and Kirk tending to disapprove of McCoy's antagonism (even though he occasionally needled Spock), there was generally also strong respect and even somewhat affection between Spock and McCoy. While McCoy's attitude is also particularly excessive for a chief medical officer, a similar or even less mild antagonism does feel worse coming from the captain (and especially one who seems less experienced and believes he is Spock's friend).

I'm not surprised that people still don't get why the 'lovers spat' was written in the first place, and why it was important for Spock's character and for the continuity of the movies. I guess people would find it realistic for them to pretend that the Vulcan diaspora had never happened and that it has no effects on the psychology of one of the main characters (and by realistic consequence, on the person who is close to him the most).

My interpretation was that Uhura was trying to get Spock to get over it and that didn't do either character good.

Please define what it means 'respect' the fans

The article writer's claims seem reasonable, acknowledging that the series wasn't overwhelmingly or predominantly action, it was more about plots, and that a lot of it was the interactions and different views of Kirk, Spock and McCoy rather than just Kirk as action hero.

I really don't get what some expected the reboot to be. A carbon copy of tos with more modern special effects? What is people's definition of remake or reboot?

I admit I'm not a fan of reboots or remakes in general or as a concept and yet I still liked some of 09 so I and other critics aren't impossible to please.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

One, Reliant was not some shuttle; it is comparable to Enterprise and armed with the same level of weapons. Two:

And the nuEnterprise faced a ship that was 100 years more advanced and a ship that had more guns than them, your point?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

And the nuEnterprise faced a ship that was 100 years more advanced and a ship that had more guns than them, your point?

The point was for the person quoted not to exaggerate (IOW attempt tear down) anything from TWOK in order to defend another production that should be able to stand on its own.