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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I have a question:

If Alec Peters won in court and Axanar was made (I know how unlikely that is) would you still watch the film or boycott it?
Tough call. I am loathe to do anything that feeds the ego of Peters and his minions, even if it's just adding to his view tally, but curiosity would probably get the better of me after all this. The better question is could I watch it objectively, and I think the answer to that is probably no. The experience is irretrievably ruined by the distasteful, ugly behavior of the people involved.
 
Tough call. I am loathe to do anything that feeds the ego of Peters and his minions, even if it's just adding to his view tally, but curiosity would probably get the better of me after all this. The better question is could I watch it objectively, and I think the answer to that is probably no. The experience is irretrievably ruined by the distasteful, ugly behavior of the people involved.

I would still watch it but I would be cheering for the Klingon’s whenever I saw Alec Peters on screen! :klingon:
 
I think "Wow" just about covers this Facebook post I just saw...

"Again, they aren't after IP Infringement. The complaint paperwork is very clear. They are pursuing Copyright Infringement. A different animal."
 
If Alec gets to make his movie then I'll watch it for laughs because I already payed for the Blu Ray. But I expect CBS will take them down. I plan on celebrating the CBS victory by going out for some sushi and sake! How will you celebrate if CBS wins?
 
If Alec gets to make his movie then I'll watch it for laughs because I already payed for the Blu Ray. But I expect CBS will take them down. I plan on celebrating the CBS victory by going out for some sushi and sake! How will you celebrate if CBS wins?

Either watch an episode of Phase II or Star Trek Continues.
 
The thing is, we will probably never know if Alec was even capable of pulling off a pro quality feature length film. I can't imagine what a difficult project that would be. Although he hired some pro help, ultimately he was the show runner. And he's never done a film before Axanar, or even worked on a movie set. Personally I would want to watch it to see if he pulled it off AND it was good. If he did, then kudos.
 
The thing is, we will probably never know if Alec was even capable of pulling off a pro quality feature length film. I can't imagine what a difficult project that would be. Although he hired some pro help, ultimately he was the show runner. And he's never done a film before Axanar, or even worked on a movie set. Personally I would want to watch it to see if he pulled it off AND it was good. If he did, then kudos.

It still wouldn't have proven anything. Because he wasn't playing by the same rules as real studios have to.
 
The thing is, we will probably never know if Alec was even capable of pulling off a pro quality feature length film. I can't imagine what a difficult project that would be. Although he hired some pro help, ultimately he was the show runner. And he's never done a film before Axanar, or even worked on a movie set. Personally I would want to watch it to see if he pulled it off AND it was good. If he did, then kudos.
It's nobody's fault but his own. If he wanted to be a movie producer he could have done it without Trek IP. Then again, he probably wouldn't have been able to raise that amount of money. I still think he's a two-bit grifter, but his ego wouldn't let him take the money and run.

My opinion, but Prelude wasn't as great as the hype would have you believe.
 
I think "Wow" just about covers this Facebook post I just saw...

"Again, they aren't after IP Infringement. The complaint paperwork is very clear. They are pursuing Copyright Infringement. A different animal."

:brickwall: It's the closest thing to banging my head on the desk that I could find.

You should answer it with this. Short version: Intellectual property is an umbrella term that covers industrial property (trademarks, patents, and the like) and copyright.

I don't believe one should have to have a law degree from an accredited US university before commenting on the topic, but one should probably familiarize oneself with the various definitions first.
 
The first comment to this article is required reading.

JazzCat said:
CBS & Paramount have every right to protect its ownership of the Star Trek intellectual property. WHat this article so conveniently ignores is that the basis of the lawsuit: multiple copyright infringements committed by the Axanar production and their shameless attempt to merchandise (every which way they could) the film as well. Model starship kits, pewter toy ships, calendars, posters, T-shirts, patches, Soundtrack CDs, Blu-Rays, "Ultimate" Blu-Rays, Coffee (yes, coffee!) books, and more.

This article also conveniently omits any mention of Peters' plan to use the money he raised via crowd sourcing on Kickstarter and IndieGoGo using the STAR TREK name and recognition to fund his own would-be for-profit movie studio…. all before even shooting a single frame of footage for the actual Axanar film.

Now, $1.1 million dollars later, what do the donors have? A twenty-minute sizzle reel that really amounts to a bunch of talking head interviews with some fancy visual effects shots and a poorly written, poorly shot three minute scene on Vulcan. What do Peters and Co. have? A warehouse in Valencia that has taken over a year to retrofit into "Ares Studios" … complete with brand new carpet.

Central to Peters's failure here is how he spent his money while bloating and vituperating about how his vanity project was going to be the "first professional independent" STar Trek film, only to backpedal to calling it a fan film once the lawsuit was filed. As any working professional in Hollywood knows, you don't spend your money and waste your time remodeling your production office. You go in, you rehearse, and you shoot your film and then you GTFO.

Peters, being entirely inexperienced in the world of professional filmmaking but somewhat involved with other fan films wouldn't know any better. Robert Meyer Burnett, whose career to date includes the wonderful "Free Enterprise" and a shitload of special features on home video and some editing work, probably should have known better.

Even more entertaining than any single bit of Axanar that did get filmed was his and Burnett's reactions on social media at the beginning of the year (up to and including throwing every single other fan film to the wolves in their defense) as the reality of the lawsuit finally sank in. These two are overwrought, over reactionary man-children, angry because mean old CBS/Paramount has come to take their toys away.

Whether CBS/Paramound are trying to make an example of Axanar and Peters or whether it's solely Axanar they are "concerned about" -- the truth of the matter is Alec Peters brought this whole mess upon himself. Even if it wasn't outright greed and hubris that did him in, even if it wasn't that he is simply an inexperienced amateur attempting to be a movie producer, his own bad attitude toward anyone criticizing or not drinking his Axanar Kool-Aid and praising his oh so noble efforts have finally begat his downfall.

Axanar is dunzo. The film itself will never be completed and Peters will be lucky to get out of this, even if he winds up penniless because of it.

Bravo!

Neil
 
the fan film community seems to draw in craziest people at the fringes and the amount of old grudges, anger, perceived slights, and misremembered arguments leads to really inappropriate behavior.

Things started getting mean-spirited here but it seemed to move into uncharted territory on the I Stand for CBS group. It was entertaining at first watching the Downfall parodies but it just started to feel over time like the group had no reason to exist other than to mock and ridicule for cheap amusement, and that starts to get stale and repetitious after a while.

If the topic here is drifting to things other than Alec, it should, because it's not a breaking story anymore, and just about everything that can be said about it has been.
 
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