You're right. I just read it here.
https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/109th-congress-2005-2006/reports/02-28-immigration.pdf
I guess those states threatening to sue the federal government don't have a leg to stand on.
Thousands riot, steal, rape, commit sexual assaults during NewYear?
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https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/109th-congress-2005-2006/reports/02-28-immigration.pdf
I guess those states threatening to sue the federal government don't have a leg to stand on.
There are gangs of men from certain countries running around raping women. Not individual men. Gangs. That is the problem we're facing. If a gang like that ever decided to take me, I would kill myself. I'd rather they had just killed me.
The Euro media, much of the global mainstream media thought it might be wise to 'censor' this bad news, it took police coming out in public and twitter and other social media posts to break this story.
Twitter fury after 1,000 Muslims sexually attack women: Germany censors media
http://www.examiner.com/article/twi...ms-rape-sexually-attack-women-cologne-germany
Merkel under fire on migrants after NYE sex assaults
http://www.expatica.com/de/news/cou...n-migrants-after-NYE-sex-assaults_569173.html
Protests in Cologne after assaults; Merkel pledges new laws
http://www.japantoday.com/category/...ologne-after-assaults-merkel-pledges-new-laws
There are many interesting critics on the topic of the 'regressive left' I think Sam Harris, Sarah Haider, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Taslima Nasrin, Brigitte Gabriel, Bill Maher and all these others are interesting to watch, some of these people are rightwing, some are leftwing some are atheists but all their opinion on the subject is interesting. There are real genuine refugees out there and there are many poor desperate people who need help. However as suspected there are many 'fakes' entering the Western world posing as 'refugees' for whatever reason.
I'm glad the left movement does have people like Bill Maher, it is vital for the movement otherwise people would still know something is wrong with this whole immigration thing and know something is up with these young men following islam, they would known in their gut, and end up agreeing with the 'Fox'-ish commentators whenever the mainstream left started getting 'news' wrong.
I think today's left is quiet different to the classic left values you seen in past times, there is also this focus on 'political correct' for some reason. The current leftist movement of today needs guys like Maher being critical of islam and muslim culture and if not for guys like him the current left would bleedout huge numbers of voters to the rightwing conservatives and rightwing nationalist groups. I think guys like Maher and some of the apostates and ex-muslims provivde value and insightful commentary on this whole multi-cultural problem Europe is currently having.
Twitter fury after 1,000 Muslims sexually attack women: Germany censors media
http://www.examiner.com/article/twi...ms-rape-sexually-attack-women-cologne-germany
Merkel under fire on migrants after NYE sex assaults
http://www.expatica.com/de/news/cou...n-migrants-after-NYE-sex-assaults_569173.html
Protests in Cologne after assaults; Merkel pledges new laws
http://www.japantoday.com/category/...ologne-after-assaults-merkel-pledges-new-laws
There are many interesting critics on the topic of the 'regressive left' I think Sam Harris, Sarah Haider, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Taslima Nasrin, Brigitte Gabriel, Bill Maher and all these others are interesting to watch, some of these people are rightwing, some are leftwing some are atheists but all their opinion on the subject is interesting. There are real genuine refugees out there and there are many poor desperate people who need help. However as suspected there are many 'fakes' entering the Western world posing as 'refugees' for whatever reason.
I'm glad the left movement does have people like Bill Maher, it is vital for the movement otherwise people would still know something is wrong with this whole immigration thing and know something is up with these young men following islam, they would known in their gut, and end up agreeing with the 'Fox'-ish commentators whenever the mainstream left started getting 'news' wrong.
I think today's left is quiet different to the classic left values you seen in past times, there is also this focus on 'political correct' for some reason. The current leftist movement of today needs guys like Maher being critical of islam and muslim culture and if not for guys like him the current left would bleedout huge numbers of voters to the rightwing conservatives and rightwing nationalist groups. I think guys like Maher and some of the apostates and ex-muslims provivde value and insightful commentary on this whole multi-cultural problem Europe is currently having.
"Regressive left"... where have I heard that one before?
Germany did not censor media by the way. One TV station's editors decided to wait a day before reporting it. They have since admitted an error in judgement.
Censorship doesn't mean what the linked article seems to think it means.
I suppose that's what happens when you let a "Celebrity Fitness and Health Examiner" write an article about these things. Some of the stuff in the examiner piece is so wrong that it's only topped by the insanely stupid, xenophobe and islamophobe ramblings in the comment section there. Wow, just wow. The fuck did I just read... ?!
Germany did not censor media by the way. One TV station's editors decided to wait a day before reporting it. They have since admitted an error in judgement.
Censorship doesn't mean what the linked article seems to think it means.
I suppose that's what happens when you let a "Celebrity Fitness and Health Examiner" write an article about these things. Some of the stuff in the examiner piece is so wrong that it's only topped by the insanely stupid, xenophobe and islamophobe ramblings in the comment section there. Wow, just wow. The fuck did I just read... ?!
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I'm not try to offend here but...Did you wake up on the wrong side of bed today?
and yes there was censorship, for example the nation of Sweden being notorious for hidng reports for 6 months, 12 months and even longer
Nah.
But did you read the comments under the examiner piece? That was the most bizarre stuff I've read all week. The internet is an amazing place.
There was a twitter account I seen called EU militia watch http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=163464 it would constantly post updates, some of the images horrific an ISIS beheader doing his nasty stuff over there, then two weeks later you have the same guy, this very same guy or guy(s) taking selfies in Rome or pictures next to the Effiel Tower...kinda sad when random people on twitter are doing better police work on than cops or the FBI. I think the twitter account is now down but you can find the eu milita watch stuff archived all over the net
Nah.
But did you read the comments under the examiner piece?
When stuff like this gets heated, when it gets political and emotional I tend to try to stick to facts and look on arguments from both sides, drop my own political party and examine all the many political sides logically. I usually avoid reading the youtube comments section too much divisional politics, too many kids trying to offend.
Here is a right conservative news source
A woman and her son were murdered by refugees in a Swedish IKEA.... It's the latest in an immigrant crime wave that's seen that nation's rape rate increase 1400 percent.
Ezra Levant of TheRebel.media is joined by Swedish journalist Ingrid Carlqvist to talk about the situation. She calls her country "Absurdistan," saying it all started in 1975 when the Swedish parliament secretly mandated multiculturalism.
"Sweden wants to be the humanitarian superpower of the world," Carlqvist said. But now ordinary Swedes -- if not the major parties or the media -- are "waking up."
Here is left liberal news source
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival
The news that the Swedish authorities covered up widespread sexual assaults by immigrant gangs on teenage girls at a Stockholm music festival, and possibly other incidents too, is immensely damaging for race relations in Sweden because it conforms so precisely to two stereotypes.The first, widely believed in nationalist circles, is that immigrants to Sweden are responsible for the huge rise in reported rapes in recent years. The second, more true, and much more widely believed, is that you cannot trust respectable Swedish opinion to be honest about the bad effects of immigration.It has been quite clearly established that there has been an increase in violent crime, and in reported rape, over the last 40 years in Sweden. In 1995, the first year for which statistics are easily available on the Crime Agency’s website, there were 179 murders in Sweden, of which 29 involved guns; in 2014 there were 317, of which 74 involved guns.Some of the violence is closely linked to the appearance of gangs of Balkan and Middle Eastern origin among refugee groupings who fight for control of the drugs trade, among other things. There were around 40 unsolved gang murders on police files at the end of last year.
You have both sides right and left, both liberal and conservative talking about cover-ups in Sweden and Germany and cover-ups other places, this is not just a German issue it is happening across the entire EU
and you are going to love this one
This news was everywhere yahoonews, washingtontimes, bloomberg news, twitter and blogs
Merkel exposed as microphone left switched on at meeting, German Chancellor Angela Merkel was overheard on a hot mic confronting Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg over anti-immigrant posts, amid complaints from her government that the facebook online internet social network isn’t doing enough to censor and block anti-refugee comments.
After Ms. Merkel asked Mr. Zuckerberg about offensive posts on the refugee crisis, the Facebook CEO said “we need to do some work” on the issue.“Are you working on this?” Ms. Merkel asked in English, Bloomberg reported.“Yeah,” Mr. Zuckerberg reportedly responded, before the transmission was disrupted.A surge of Syrian refugees seeking asylum in Germany has spurred a spate of attacks on refugee centers and anti-immigrant sentiment, Bloomberg reports
the facts point out there has been a cover up
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I live in Germany so I'm well aware of the discourse.
The Zuckerberg thing is purely related to German hate speech laws. It's not about covering up crimes.
I am not disputing the fact that there is a cultural problem regarding the treatment of women in the public sphere. In many predominantly Muslim countries women are not an independent part of public life. So when many young men from those countries come to Europe it's important we make it very clear that things work differently here.
There's actually a pretty wide discourse about these things in Germany right now. No cover-up. The only crazy people are the conservatives and xenophobes. Incidentally the same people who usually don't give a shit about women's rights so I guess there's some irony there.
I realize that this whole conversation is a bit uncomfortable for us liberals because we don't like to criticize other cultures but it's important to not turn this into a generalizing xenophobe discourse while still acknowledging existing problems.
The Zuckerberg thing is purely related to German hate speech laws. It's not about covering up crimes.
I am not disputing the fact that there is a cultural problem regarding the treatment of women in the public sphere. In many predominantly Muslim countries women are not an independent part of public life. So when many young men from those countries come to Europe it's important we make it very clear that things work differently here.
There's actually a pretty wide discourse about these things in Germany right now. No cover-up. The only crazy people are the conservatives and xenophobes. Incidentally the same people who usually don't give a shit about women's rights so I guess there's some irony there.
I realize that this whole conversation is a bit uncomfortable for us liberals because we don't like to criticize other cultures but it's important to not turn this into a generalizing xenophobe discourse while still acknowledging existing problems.
Touchy much?
I'm just wondering if you can look at this objectionally, you seem a little far left of centre and almost biased or angry against these patriots, conservatives or nationalists or whatever you want to call them. Not every conservative is this stereotype from some tv show, I have met many people over the years and have a number of conservative friends they are not all like this, each person is conservative for their own reason. Would it shock you to know immigrants become conservatives also? atheists do, people from Asia, from Africa become conservative? I think Europe and the global mainstream media has made a huge mistake of painting a picture of all those involved in criticism of immigration as people breaking some kinds of 'hate speech laws' or call them 'xenophobes' or 'racists' I think it is a pretty poor tactic by the left and it is simply dishonest, some people do have concerns about security, culture, safety and a number of crimes were covered up by government and police. I have listened to, watched activists, ex-muslims, apostates and people like Hirsi Ali for years now. I find it strange how some in the left will still automatically re-act, a knee-jerk reaction calling people like her 'racist' for speaking against islam. I think sometimes the left gets lost inside its own speech, lost inside its own agenda, the left needs people like Bill Maher, Sam Harris, Sarah Haider, Ayaan Hirsi Ali to keep the left movement connected to reality. .
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Nah, I'm doing perfectly fine and I'm well-informed. I just don't tend to buy into panic narratives.
You should have noticed that I specifically stated that there is a problem that needs to be addressed. I just don't think heading into a xenophobic panic is the proper way to address it.
The security of women in public places must definitely be a primary concern, though. So that is why there has to be a conversation about public security and possible cultural issues that would require greater integration efforts.
As you can see it's perfectly possible to have a rational conversation about existing problems without using sweeping generalizations and resorting to hate speech.
As a sidenote I suggest not relying on English-language sources alone because they tend to not give a full image of the public discourse here in Germany.
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Do you believe Bill Maher to be 'xenophobic' or has he engaged in 'hate speech'?
I speak other languages too but I do not speak German
Unlike who?
Yeah, there is a lot nonsense going on (I don't mean here). Those "it's not allowed to talk about XY" is mostly populistic whining. Of course problems get noticed by the officials and the public and nobody (with a clear mind) expected that things go smoothly if you have a problem like we face it with the mass refuge.
Btw. the site dw.com is rather good, for non german speakers who want a german perspective. A lot of friends form ohter countries use it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
Similar criticisms were made regarding the Rotherham child abuse case.
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
I recently read " You can't read this book" by Nick Cohen who pinpoints the Rushdie affair as the moment when British liberals split and the priorities for a whole portion of the left went from "caring about individual freedoms and freethought" to "not wanting to be open to accusations of racism."
I tend to agree that the Rushdie business was an intergral moment. The amount of so-called liberals who suggested that he brought it on himself was disturbing - Today everyone wants to defend Rushdie but it was not always the case.
The Guardian's take on it
"For example, in 2007 the Channel 4 documentary Undercover Mosque exposed various preachers making hateful and violent statements regarding women, Jews, homosexuals and infidels. By any journalistic measure it was a compelling and revelatory documentary. But in the media storm that followed it was not the inflammatory preachers but the programme-makers who found themselves subject to an inquisition. The police tried to prosecute them for broadcasting "material likely to stir up racial hatred."
Similar criticisms were made regarding the Rotherham child abuse case.
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' descriptions of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
I recently read " You can't read this book" by Nick Cohen who pinpoints the Rushdie affair as the moment when British liberals split and the priorities for a whole portion of the left went from "caring about individual freedoms and freethought" to "not wanting to be open to accusations of racism."
I tend to agree that the Rushdie business was an intergral moment. The amount of so-called liberals who suggested that he brought it on himself was disturbing - Today everyone wants to defend Rushdie but it was not always the case.
The Guardian's take on it
"For example, in 2007 the Channel 4 documentary Undercover Mosque exposed various preachers making hateful and violent statements regarding women, Jews, homosexuals and infidels. By any journalistic measure it was a compelling and revelatory documentary. But in the media storm that followed it was not the inflammatory preachers but the programme-makers who found themselves subject to an inquisition. The police tried to prosecute them for broadcasting "material likely to stir up racial hatred."
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Yikes!!!
Would not want to be a woman in any of these countries, or man for that matter. Some of these cultures are the way they are. You can't really change behaviours that have been ingrained into people over generations. Women are treated in some countries no better ten cattle.
Horse hockey. If that were true, there would be no social progress at all.
It might be true for younger people but not the older ones who should know better and condone such behaviours.
Change can take time sometimes decades esp. if it involves change to cultural aspects. But as with many things a small minority give the majority a bad name.
As for the EU at the moment it seems to be lurching from one crisis to another, that could threaten the EU itself. But some of that is down to how the EU sells itself or not to it's populance.
Sounds like she missed Politics 101 always treat every micophone as if it's a live microphone.
As for the EU at the moment it seems to be lurching from one crisis to another, that could threaten the EU itself. But some of that is down to how the EU sells itself or not to it's populance.
Sounds like she missed Politics 101 always treat every micophone as if it's a live microphone.
Social progress isn't about individuals, it's about large groups of people over generations. Someone who believes that gang-raping a woman is a sport, or a form of entertainment, will never change. They should be gelded by some higher power as soon as they reached the decision to do something like that.
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