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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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oswriter said:
I received a serious threat this morning. I will be removing all of my blog posts shortly. I regret ever speaking on this subject. I ask that nobody attempt to contact me.
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As other members have said: Please talk to the police/authorities about this.
We don't regret that you've added valued information to this thread.
I also hope, you'll be well! I sincerely hope, this threat business was just a fake attempt.
And I hope for all of us, you'll be able to participate here again in no time.
 
So this morning Rob Burnett tweeted a complaint that CBS was cracking down on Axanar but not New Voyages. I responded that New Voyages wasn't using Star Trek to crowdfund the acquisition of a studio to shoot for-profit projects. We ended up having a long, civil, and fairly pleasant conversation. He never called me a hater or blocked me. Just thought that was worth mentioning.
 
What was his response to it? And does he realize that-- even if he feels it's unfair-- it's still their right to go after them. Even if we conceded it was because Axanar was "too good" (and we don't) --- it's still their right.
 
oswriter said:
I received a serious threat this morning. I will be removing all of my blog posts shortly. I regret ever speaking on this subject. I ask that nobody attempt to contact me.
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Just goes to show the sad state of of mind of some so called 'Star Trek' fans.
(If it's some sort of valid legal threat, that's interesting as again, I don't see how anything you've posted with regards to this situation could be considered libelous or actionable in any way.)
 
oswriter said:
I received a serious threat this morning. I will be removing all of my blog posts shortly. I regret ever speaking on this subject. I ask that nobody attempt to contact me.
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Damn, I just joined to follow this discussion, because the subject is facinating. I didn't expect this. Despite the bluster from the huge Axanerds, I really didn't expect to hear personal about personal threats to members.

This isn't what fandom should be about
 
Indysolo said:
And yet there it is.

Neil
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I could see Axanar having made a compromise with CBS *before* the lawsuit, but now if CBS backs down and lets Axanar do Trek, they will be establishing a precedent which future commercial tentpole squatters could use against them.
 
Photoman15 said:
As for the big "scandal" of the carpet. IT'S A FRIGGIN OFFICE. You don't walk around on plywood especially if you have actors (known and unknown) coming to meet there. Let Axanar live or die by it's final product, not by BBS trolls who think they know how everything "should" be done.

DISCLAIMER: I have no affiliation with Axanar or any other fan film other than being a viewer and a Trek fan since 1966.
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It's a fan film. The Film, not the offices, or the studio, is what's supposed to be crowdfunded.IMHO, It doesn't need professional offices, if it isn't a professional studio.

But it is, in actuality, and it's being built out based on an IP that they don't own. Which is why we are having this debate
 
Jedi_Master said:
Suppressing freedom of speech by threatening journalists is an act of cowardice. I am disappointed and outraged by the threats against a talented writer and journalist.
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Albinator said:
One of the big reasons i'm so ardently NOT on their side. They are in the wrong clearly, yet they and their followers are acting like children and bullies.

If they were contrite instead of apoplectic I might take a more neutral position and hope for an amicable resolution.
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I've never understood how people can be so obsessed with something they aren't personally involved with, or someone they don't personally know, that they would threaten someone just for saying negative things about them. It really just baffles, and honestly kind of scares me.
Indysolo said:
New Axanar blog here.

"So if all goes well, we will be making Star Trek fans films for a long time. Not just Axanar, but others as well, and hopefully other fan films will come use our facility."

Neil
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I'm starting to wonder if all of this talk is just a show to try to keep the supporters around. I find it hard to believe somebody could honestly be this clueless.
 
JD said:
I've never understood how people can be so obsessed with something they aren't personally involved with, or someone they don't personally know, that they would threaten someone just for saying negative things about them. It really just baffles, and honestly kind of scares me.
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The thing is, beside maybe a little jab here or there OSWriter was pretty neutral on this board, and especially in his articles. He can't change that Peters and his Axanerds are too delusional to see that he is just giving an account on reality, not there self-created worldview.
 
JD said:
I've never understood how people can be so obsessed with something they aren't personally involved with, or someone they don't personally know, that they would threaten someone just for saying negative things about them. It really just baffles, and honestly kind of scares me.
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Who's doing that? Are you talking about the alleged threat's against OSwriter, or my stance on the issue based on my offense to their behavior?
 
Indysolo said:
New Axanar blog here.

"So if all goes well, we will be making Star Trek fans films for a long time. Not just Axanar, but others as well, and hopefully other fan films will come use our facility."

Neil
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It must be nice to be that delusional. I also find it amusing that finally after months of dilly-dallying, now there is this sudden burst of activity.
 
Campe98 said:
Great piece. And the thing is, Cawley hits it right on the nose: "Just don't make any money. Have a good time, and we are going to look the other way."
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Interestingly enough, the CBS Sunday Morning show also showed up at our studio not long ago to shoot one of these fluff pieces. It will be interesting to see if CBS ultimately airs their piece on our fan film. Does CBS News talk to CBS legal? Does their airing the segment or not constitute any kind of "position" on their part?
 
GSchnitzer said:
Interestingly enough, the CBS Sunday Morning show also showed up during the Axanar shoot to do one of these fluff pieces. It will be interesting to see if CBS ultimately airs their piece on our fan film. Does CBS News talk to CBS legal? Does their airing the segment or not constitute any kind of "position" on their part?
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Maybe they were picking up B roll for their story on the Axanar lawsuit....
 
Photoman15 said:
I call bullshit on the threats for starters.
Second, I don't understand the arrogance of the anti-Axanar people here.
People have been making Trek fan films for years with no problem. They get funding or do it themselves.
Everyone who contributed (to whatever website fundraising thing they used) knew what they were getting into.
As for the big "scandal" of the carpet. IT'S A FRIGGIN OFFICE. You don't walk around on plywood especially if you have actors (known and unknown) coming to meet there. Let Axanar live or die by it's final product, not by BBS trolls who think they know how everything "should" be done.

DISCLAIMER: I have no affiliation with Axanar or any other fan film other than being a viewer and a Trek fan since 1966.
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I'm not 'Anti-Axanar' per se as I pledged $75 on the first 'full feature' Axanar KS. I would enjoy seeing the finished product. That said, given the actions of Mr. peters and his production group since then, (the blatant unlicensed Star Trek related merchandise sales, him paying himself and his wife a salary), etc. I'm not a fan of blatant and defiant criminal acts, and what I can only see as open acts of fraud against the backers. I pledged for my funds to go toward production of said fan film; NOT for office upgrades for a studio offices to be used for OTHER for profit productions. The arrogance (and stupidity) of Mr. peters is evident in everything he's posted since he was served with the lawsuit; from suddenly saying the studio was not meant for other productions (contradicted in video blogs and comments made months ago; and contradicted by words and actions detailed in recent blog posts by Mr. peters as well.)

As to spending backer money on new carpet; the blog even details the removal of the EXISTING carpet. Why buy new carpet instead of using what's there already (especially if you're continuing to state you need more funds to make said single feature film?) Not very efficient use of funds (IMO).

As for letting "Axanar die by it's final product"...I have to say, given that ALL we have of the Axanar feature to date is a 3 minute scene on Vulcan - for $600K+ backer investment: Sorry - as a backer, I'm not impressed. interesting that many Pro-Axanar supporters seem to think this will be the best Star Trek film made in a couple of decades based on said 3 minute scene.

Then there's posts about 'production delays' which is interesting when the lawsuit first hit; Mr. Peters posted shooting would start in February; yet most recently in response of a post on the Axanar site now claims March...Come on, how dense do you have to be to not realize he's just stringing everyone along (and continuing to accept donations/pledges) BUT will in all likelihood NEVER be able to deliver the 'final product' due to his incompetence, and frivolous attitude toward and treatment of the VERY SERIOUS AND REAL lawsuit filed against him? (Yeah, they 'celebrate with Sushi')

And for all his claims of 'openness to backers' ; actor Tony Todd is still displayed prominently on the website; even though he's no longer involved in the Production (Something that wasn't very openly communicated or acknowledged by Mr. Peters until Mr. Todd started tweeting about it.

Again, I'm not 'Anti-Axanar'; I'm against seeing good people/fans essentially defrauded and lied to. And yes, I was 100% aware of the situation that CBS/Paramount could decide to enforce their right and pull the plug - but Mr. Peters actions since their intention to do so have been made evident - has been anything but conciliatory towards CBS/Paramount, OR the Backers who funded prior to the lawsuit being filed - and further comes across as believing he can in fact use Star Trek copyrighted material without a license or approval as he sees fit to continue to merchandise and make money.
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That's just plain wrong and possibly criminal (depending on the outcome of the lawsuit). So, yeah, when I see such actions and comments by the head person (which seems to indicate very little grasp of the reality of his situation - or worse that he knows he won't be able to finish Axanar, but thinks he'll somehow be able to keep control of the studio/offices he's rented and renovated using Backer funds for Axanar - to make some for profit productions after all the dust has settled); I will vent and express my displeasure at someone who seems to have defrauded many (including myself)- and has no issue continuing to do so.

(Oh, and sorry, I've only been a Star Trek fan myself since 1969 - I was 6 years old when I first saw "Elaan of Troyius" on NBC - so yeah, there you have me beat by 3 years.)
 
GeorgeKirk said:
So this morning Rob Burnett tweeted a complaint that CBS was cracking down on Axanar but not New Voyages. I responded that New Voyages wasn't using Star Trek to crowdfund the acquisition of a studio to shoot for-profit projects. We ended up having a long, civil, and fairly pleasant conversation. He never called me a hater or blocked me. Just thought that was worth mentioning.
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We had a decent conversation on the "I Stand with CBS" Facebook page. He seems nice enough if you can get him outside the echo chamber.
 
Noname Given said:
As for letting "Axanar die by it's final product"...I have to say, given that ALL we have of the Axanar feature to date is a 3 minute scene on Vulcan - for $600K+ backer investment: Sorry - as a backer, I'm not impressed. interesting that many Pro-Axanar supporters seem to think this will be the best Star Trek film made in a couple of decades based on said 3 minute scene.
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Actually, it is $1.2 million if you add the IndieGoGo fundraiser with the Kickstarter. :eek:
 
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