In this thread? I'd love to read.Yep. I posted the conversation between her and Amanda, when she explains why she doesn't look like the pictures Spock sent of her.
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This is where the episode lost all sense of originality/ In using the very thing--protomatter--that would be a central disaster plot from The Search for Spock, the episode samples too heavily on that film to create some sort of continuity that was necessary in order to tell this story. Moreover, if Carol was not responsible for using protomatter, how did she--being on the Genesis team--miss David using it? You see, in creating a retcon with too many forced references / connections to the movies, it actually makes TWOK Carol seem stupid if:
- she was--yet again--unaware of a team member using the same matter for a terrafoming experiment, or..
- corrupt, if we assume she knew what David was doing, but completely forgot about the death/destruction it caused for her years earlier.
Agreed. Its forced because the story needs it to happen. You get more emotional weight from Kirk & Mitchell's brief memory of the "lab technician" than an hour+ with this episode's Carol and Kirk.
Well observed. He's already telegraphing feelings he cannot possibly even entertain at that point in the story. If she was just another sexual interest--a short, intense attraction (and her name was not Carol), one could buy some of his warp speed interest, but we are supposed to believe this is THE romance unfolding in some natural, unavoidable manner.
You cannot rush or sell a backstory attempting to use the strength of the movies to justify its rushed, implausible romance. That was the same problem with the Star Wars prequels, in the rationality/plot-starved romance of Anakin and Padme; George Lucas was so hell-bent on selling that as some quasi-Shakespearean "romantic tragedy that shook the galaxy" to explain Anakin's fall & the birth, orphan status and separation of the Skywalker twins (again, based on the strength of the original film's plotlines) that nothing about the romance felt realistic. The plot--or writer's need to force destiny--resulted in a slapped together series of heartless romance just to link it to the original films.
The same happened in this ST episode.
Exactly. His desire to give it all up for Carol was a night and day reaction--hitting the audience over the head by Kirk trying to gift his mother's heirloom to a woman he could not possibly care for in that short amount of time.
All so true.
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I know I posted this somewhere on the forum recently, but I don't remember where. Anyway, this is how the explanation for the two different Saaviks went (read Amanda's dialogue first):In this thread? I'd love to read.
I know, and I tried. But there was no way to make everything fit without either obscuring too much of the characters or making the font too small to read. Maybe if I can find a different-sized picture of this scene I can redo it.
Put Amanda's quote in the top left and cover Saavik's boobs with hers. We only need to see her face for the joke to work.
As much effort as everyone put into this episode, it begs the question? Apart from squashing the theory of the little blonde lab tech Mitchell steered at Kirk in the Academy, is there enough here for a whole episode? There are some beautifully crafted scenes, but nothing much seems to happen in them storywise.
I see no problem with continuity porn as long as it is part of an episode.
Speaking of porn, it definitely needed more in the bedroom.scene. (They're married in real life). That would also solve the "nothing happening" issue. . (j/k)
Kirk seems to be so unlucky in love. At one time he was so quick to fall in love he literally carried a woman down the Church aisle. It did not go well...
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Ah yes, Esperanto.. a language right up there with Klingonese and Elvish. I'm entranced just listening to Shatner's speech patterns coming through while attempting the language.
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Incubus makes me wonder if any of the actors dubbing Kirk in other languages come anywhere near his speech patterns?
Ah... answered my own question.
They are not too far off, but I'd like to see how the French or German voice actors pull off the overacting in "Return to Tomorrow".
Back to topic, I think that Brian Gross could use a little more of that, whatever that is. Perhaps moving toward the overacting side might help?
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Incubus makes me wonder if any of the actors dubbing Kirk in other languages come anywhere near his speech patterns?
Ah... answered my own question.
They are not too far off, but I'd like to see how the French or German voice actors pull off the overacting in "Return to Tomorrow".
Back to topic, I think that Brian Gross could use a little more of that, whatever that is. Perhaps moving toward the overacting side might help?
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Nah, you don't have to overact to pull off Kirk. But some actors in particular parts have that je ne sais quoi that other don't. Gross, like a lot of people playing Captains in fanfilms, so far lacks a certain gravitas. They don't feel like they're in charge. They don't own the bridge, so to speak.
It's one of the weaker episodes in New Voyages. But not horrible. Just kinda forgettable. Basically it's a retelling of a better story except trying to add to it how Kirk and Marcus fell in love. And despite using an Actor/Actress that are married it fell kinda flat IMO. Kirk/Marcus' relationship was given more weight because of TWOK/TSFS movies. But this episode kinda felt like Kirk's woman of the week type thing instead of something with more to it.
It tried to do the origins of protomatter and shoehorned in introducing the Ferengi but overall the story didn't have a lot of weight either. This story felt thrown together the last minute. I actually think Spock/Marcus had more going for it story wise then the love story had. It may've been a better story if it was about Spock's logic vs Marcus' emotion and done a story about that and left it open for Marcus to be a possible recurring character.
It tried to do the origins of protomatter and shoehorned in introducing the Ferengi but overall the story didn't have a lot of weight either. This story felt thrown together the last minute. I actually think Spock/Marcus had more going for it story wise then the love story had. It may've been a better story if it was about Spock's logic vs Marcus' emotion and done a story about that and left it open for Marcus to be a possible recurring character.
I had many of the same reactions as most here- great vfx, rushed and somewhat unbelievable romance (hate hate hated that last scene with the marriage proposal and bizarre hair), old Scotty was well done but why he heck was he there, what the %{%*<## Ferengi continuity, but upon finishing I found all I could think was:
RICHARD HATCH!!
RICHARD HATCH!!
Just started watching. Did you resurrect James Doohan for the 24th century bookends? Did NV build the shuttle interior?
I know this is a bit OT, but there's a nice fluff piece on CNN.com about New Voyages and has a video too. Can be found here:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/entertainment/star-trek-new-voyages-online-series/index.html
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/entertainment/star-trek-new-voyages-online-series/index.html
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Wow, really?. Not including the 3+ years in post.
source:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/21/entertainment/star-trek-new-voyages-online-series/index.html
No, I built the shuttle interior in Photoshop and Lightwave 3D. The actors were shot on green screen which I also composited.
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