Did Janeway torture Paris in "Thirty Days"?

[Guy Gardener]

After his demotion, didn't Kim out rank Paris because Harry'd been an Ensign much, much longer?

It would have been cool to watch Harry order Paris to do one handed push ups until Tom puked.

 

[hux]

Surely throughout the thirty days, someone should have been temporarily promoted to fill the gap left by Paris.

If it was Kim then the only time he outranked Tom was when Tom wasn't around to take any orders from him.

Poor Harry.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tom called himself a "pilot" which is not true completely.

He was the department head in charge of the helm.

He didn't drive Voyager 24/7, and randos couldn't pick up the slack when he got sleepy or had something better to do.

"Department head" is why he got to sit in on mission briefings.

Say there are 20 people on Voyager who are qualified to fly the ship, then he has to figure out duty shifts and promotion tracks and reprimands based of performances. He also has to plot the course and replot the course and they get a more exact idea about what's ahead, and review how the trip matches up with what they anticipated, as well as make sure that the hardware is working fine, and that anyone who wants to upskill is given the classes they want, and receive credits for those classes, and their slice of the duty pie changes with regards to their new skill set.

That's a Lieutenant's job, not an Ensigns, who was displaced, promoted, dead or demoted when Janeway gave Tom his old job back.

 

[Catarina]

I'm still not convinced. Janeway had no idea how long their trip home would take, so length of sentence is a non-issue. Therefore, why does a serial killer like Suder deserve a more 'humane' sentence than a loyal officer like Paris?

She wanted it to have a lasting memory so he wouldn't cross her again. After watching Disease it's obvious she withholds her love if her boys misbehave.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Good Lourdes woman, you're talking about the father of her children, you are!

Compared to a full year being churned through a meat grinder like the New Zealand penal Colony, would Tommy even notice that Kathy is trying to inconvenience him?.

 

[Catarina]

Good Lourdes woman, you're talking about the father of her children, you are!

yeah and? She doesn't see him on her level just because of some hanky panky under the influence of warp 10.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kathryn doesn't like men on her level.

She likes a bit of rough.

 

[bucky01403]

Comfort is necessary (to a reasonable extent) in long term confinement, for the psychological and physical health of the inmate. Keeping them engaged in positive activities that distract them from the time of their sentence. Solitary as an administrate form of punishment is specifically designed to dwell on the person's recent mistake. That's why inmates in a prison system have access to education, exercise yards, televisions, etc, while jails only offer the bare minimum in necessities. Jail in and of itself is designed to be a deterrent (obviously).

On one hand Janeway was too harsh on Paris due to her characteristic flaws in regards to punishment of other crew members. One the other hand, Paris was insolent to Janeway, which considering their extreme circumstance, Janeway would have to curb such actions from her crew in a more extreme fashion to maintain her seniority as captain. From a pure militaristic standpoint and recognizing the episode taken out of context from the rest of the series, Janeway did hand down a typical sentence. Though he should of been given some reading material.

 

[Catarina]

Kathryn doesn't like men on her level..

As pointed out symbolically with her bridge and ready room having platforms so she can stand taller when it suits her. Oh, and when she's feeling insecure around our fantastic, leggy borg.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Owen Paris could have jiggled command, if his son guilted dad enough about the exgirlfriend being a harpy.

Besides, if Kathy was willing to do that to her favourite, the Maquis had best toe the line.

 

[hux]

Don't forget she also increased Michael (delete the wife) Sullivan. In height, I mean.

There's just no pleasing some women.

 

[Catarina]

She almost had a man killed who was SF. So yes they had better. And what a waste we never saw it

 

[Catarina]

I doubt that's the only measurement change she made and you know it.

 

[Catarina]

Personally, I was disappointed she deleted the wife. Too easy, Janeway! If you can't win an literate, shy but willing to try a type of bartender with just your bosom and hips laced up in the right way, are you really that good?

*oh for the love of god. I wish I could form a complete thought before I hit a reply so that I don't spam the forum. It's what I do! And luckily the mod turns his back.

 

[hux]

Could a real man add inches to himself in the holodeck?

I'm asking for a friend.

 

[urbandefault]

She should have thrown Suder out the airlock. Done and done.

Paris might not have needed the 30 days after that.

 

[Catarina]

Could a real man add inches to himself in the holodeck?

I'm asking for a friend.

If they can give you holo lungs surely they could give you holo inches. Just make sure to never go outside the holo emitter perimeter or your lady will be disappointed. (or thrilled if you over did it)

 

[Guy Gardener]

Suder was intellectually disabled (I want to say retarded, becuase the context is about mean people being mean to the handicapped, but you're never supposed to use that word anymore, and I'm not a hundred percent about handicapped either?) by betazoidian standards, since he is nontelepathic.

It was probably taken into account.

Janeway took an illiterate hick, and gave him a 19th century ivy league college education.

How is crippling Michael with an education 4 hundred years out of date, not creating a baby brain she can easily feel superior to while Kathryn enjoys a workout between her legs?

 

[Catarina]

She felt superior always. She just didn't want to be bored or felt like she was doing a cave man. I was implying she made it too easy by ditching the competition to which there wasn't any because he was totally into her.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Imagine this alternative...

"Computer, make his wife a hot slut, who is into threeways and me."