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Heroes Reborn - Season 1 Discussion Thread (with Spoilers)

How excited am i to watch Heroes Reborn?

  • The previews don't look promising, but i'll try any way

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I've been enjoying Reborn and I thought the penultimate episode was really good. All the plotlines and characters fit together in a great way at the ending and the sense of doom is really palpable. I also really liked Kravid's backstory though I really wish they had shown this WAY sooner in the series.
 
I caught up with the latest two episodes. I thought they were enjoyable, and in keeping with the quality of the previous later Reborn episodes for the most part, because I think it started off good and started dragging. I like how everything is now coming down to a big finale. I liked "Company Woman", I did feel that it made Erica more sympathetic. I can agree though that the episode should've come way sooner or they should've weaved it into other episodes. Also with the episode's title I was expecting her to have worked at Primatech. I wish they had spaced out her backstory more throughout Reborn so we could've seen more of her relationship with Primatech and HRG.

The Katana Girl stuff has never really worked for me and still doesn't. I can understand her final fight with Harris Prime, who was her personal nemesis, though where he got the big silver ax from, I have no clue. Also why he just didn't have his clones shoot Katana Girl. I can understand why Harris is KG's personal nemesis, but not why Harris Prime would spend the time fighting her? It sucked seeing him taken out, I thought he was a good henchman, but I get that hey, the show is almost over and time to start wrapping things up.

Malina has a little bit more personality-well maybe not, but she speaks more, so I guess that's something. Still I find her boring. When compared to Claire who was a likable kind of protagonist to root for. Tommy fares a little better, then again they grounded Tommy in a normal setting and had Malina off at the North Pole or whatever. I think more could've been done for the final confrontation between Luke and Joanne.

I mean if they were going to have him incinerate her why not do that before she shot at Malina? It seemed a bit excessive to do it after Malina was down. If he wanted to take her out, burn her gun hand? And why didn't Erica send a team with Joanne? One thing that bothered me throughout the show is how Luke and Joanne were these bad asses, hunting and successfully killing Evos without apparently any training. They didn't go into Joanne's backstory and from what I recall Luke was a doctor. Why would Erica entrust Joanne with such an important mission?

I was surprised that they went the way with Parkman, turning him into a full villain. Though I'm okay with it. Not everyone is going to turn out to be a hero and perhaps not everyone can be redeemed or wants to be. In his mind he thought he was doing it for the right reasons anyway. And maybe a last second change of mind-though expected-might have been too trite.

I just thought about it but the last two episodes didn't have HRG in them and went along just fine. He definitely adds weight to the story and remains a cool character to watch but the show continued along with him. I'm sure he'll return in time for the big finish.

For the finale I wonder what role, if any, El Vengador will play? (I really like the name and the costume). Was his mission just to get people to Odessa? I wouldn't mind seeing an El Vengador spin off. Maybe a Netflix or webseries. There are El Vengador tie-in comics. I think the character as potential as a street-level vigilante with relatively inexpensive special effects. I mean bring the occasional Evo onto the show, but if they did it like the early season (s) of Arrow or Daredevil or Jessica Jones then it might be neat.

Overall I've felt this group of Reborn heroes was an odd mix, then again, perhaps its always been that way with the collection of heroes assembled to take out the big thing every season on the show. I wonder how much thought-if any-went into having people with specific powers that work together to solve the big problem every finale?

Also, I hadn't thought about it until Morpheus 2 said it, but yeah, the guy playing Micah would fit right in on The CW. I wish we had gotten a bit more of Micah in the series. It seems his powers have grown. Also perhaps having his cousin St. Joan show up would've been neat as well.
 
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Malina has zero personality...she's been what I used to describe the Haitian as: a walking plot device. Big contrast with Tommy, who got lots of development and has an actor who pulls it off well and carries that part of the story.
 
Hell, they haven't really told us what Malina's power is. She can bring things to life. Control fire, wind, weather, water. It's all very undefined. Which makes the stakes for her (story wise) "saving the world" nebulous.
 
For the finale I wonder what role, if any, El Vengador will play?
That scene was really awful. Those 4 people drove all the way to Texas, and then invisible girl gets shot and all 4 of them immediately go to the hospital. It really felt like they drove all that way for 2 seconds of screen time.
 
Malina has zero personality...she's been what I used to describe the Haitian as: a walking plot device. Big contrast with Tommy, who got lots of development and has an actor who pulls it off well and carries that part of the story.

I do agree that Malina has zero personality, however I don't agree with The Haitian comparison. The series has never hinged on him, he's a guy they bring in to clean up stuff. An important character but one never meant to hold the spotlight. Also perhaps its just my perception but Jimmy Jean-Louis conveyed enough while having practically zero lines to be a cool and memorable character. And the show did give glimmers of his past. As for Malina they did eventually fill out her backstory but it didn't really help her. As Sojourner pointed out, I don't think they've even defined her power set yet. To me they've also failed to really give Malina personal stakes outside of survival-granted that's a big one, but Tommy is fighting for his mom, his girlfriend, Hiro, and the fate of the world, in addition to his survival.

I guess now Malina is fighting for Tommy and Farah, maybe Luke, but it doesn't come across as her having really strong emotional connections to anyone. I'll just take it that she does have it for Farah.
 
I didn't say that the plot hinged on the Haitian...but I noticed a pattern in the old series of him tending to show up on whoever's side with little explanation just because it served the plot to have somebody on that side with his powers.
 
Hell, they haven't really told us what Malina's power is. She can bring things to life. Control fire, wind, weather, water. It's all very undefined. Which makes the stakes for her (story wise) "saving the world" nebulous.
At least now we know why the original series had the "save the cheerleader, save the world" mantra. Kind of sad that the writing was so bad they had to wait for the show come back from the dead for it to make any sense at all. I imagine we'll have to wait for something similar for Malina to make any sense, too.
 
"Save the cheerleader, save the world" was because if Sylar "killed" Claire and got her healing power he would become unstoppable, and eventually get the exploding man's power and blowing NYC/the world.
 
"Save the cheerleader, save the world" was because if Sylar "killed" Claire and got her healing power he would become unstoppable, and eventually get the exploding man's power and blowing NYC/the world.

Since it was future Hiro who told Hiro and Pete that it's a given that, that future didn't happen. Of course it cold be argued that Hiro changed the past just by warning them.

Still I think Melina's power is being an elemental like Angela's sister was. How she and Nathan can stop the solar flare is something we'll find out on Thursday.
 
I'm guessing the two of them together can super charge the elemental power to divert the solar flare enough for it to avoid hitting Earth.
 
^^ That's my guess, too. Either that or jump the flares.

Man, karma sure caught up with Matt Parkman. It's a shame what happened to him. I liked him in the original series.
 
I didn't say that the plot hinged on the Haitian...but I noticed a pattern in the old series of him tending to show up on whoever's side with little explanation just because it served the plot to have somebody on that side with his powers.

That's right you didn't say that, however what you said, IMO, it just shows the difference in how the two characters play into the series. Malina isn't a character that just shows up or switches sides, they kept her mysterious for too long but she has been on the side of the angels since we learned more about her, and was really always on the good side. And even Rene seemed to become a guy on the side of good once the show put HRG in the good column.
 
I don't understand why it's so impossible for Kravid or anyone in her group to understand that the kids could use their power to stop/avoid the solar flare rather than just time jump people into the future. They clearly have a solid understanding of how people's powers work. Or are they just so bigoted they're blind to it.
 
That's right you didn't say that, however what you said, IMO, it just shows the difference in how the two characters play into the series. Malina isn't a character that just shows up or switches sides, they kept her mysterious for too long but she has been on the side of the angels since we learned more about her, and was really always on the good side. And even Rene seemed to become a guy on the side of good once the show put HRG in the good column.
And Malina's just plain boring, which the Haitian wasn't.
 
I don't understand why it's so impossible for Kravid or anyone in her group to understand that the kids could use their power to stop/avoid the solar flare rather than just time jump people into the future. They clearly have a solid understanding of how people's powers work. Or are they just so bigoted they're blind to it.

That's a good question. Maybe Kravid is so blinded by hatred, but also I have to wonder if she wants to have a post-flare world that is devoid of evos, that she can cultivate with her selected people in which she can control. If she worked with the evos and they stopped the flare then the world would see them as heroes and it would make it harder for Kravid to get rid of them. So I have to wonder if Kravid never wanted to stop the flare, but let it happen.
 
"Save the cheerleader, save the world" was because if Sylar "killed" Claire and got her healing power he would become unstoppable, and eventually get the exploding man's power and blowing NYC/the world.
That was the rationale people came up to explain it, but it was pretty stupid. Now we know that she had to live to give birth to the twins, who in turn would literally save the world.
 
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