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Thousands riot, steal, rape, commit sexual assaults during NewYear?

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Seems the EU may do a U-turn on the open borders thing
http://www.smh.com.au/world/german-...new-years-eve-in-cologne-20160105-gm00f9.html
http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/1000-migrants-rape-steal-brawl-at-train-station/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...ual_assaults_in_germany_on_new_years_eve.html
http://www.euronews.com/2016/01/05/new-year-s-eve-attacks-on-women-in-cologne-stun-germany/

deeply disturbing if any of this turns out to be true :scream: :confused:
Also reports 940 Vehicles Torched in France in New Year, 940 cars set on fire around France

More from France: French police fire tear gas as 'over 800 migrants' storm Channel Tunnel. An AFP journalist saw young men climb on top of trucks heading towards Britain, with some cutting through the tarpaulin covering the vehicles to get inside.Others could be seen helping their friends climb into the back of a white truck. Some 800 to 1,000 migrants tried on Thursday to break into the Channel Tunnel near the French port city of Calais in a desperate bid to reach Britain, local officials said, triggering chaotic scenes that saw traffic disrupted and security forces firing tear gas to disperse the crowds.

Sweden to impose border control? checks are introduced on the bridge - which links Malmo in southern Sweden and Copenhagen in Denmark?
So is this EU open border dream is ending?
 
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Re: Thousands riot, steal, rape, commit sexual assaults during NewYear

For all the things that can get lost in translation, it's fascinating to see a digit lost. Or added, actually.

It's been in the news here in Germany the past few days, naturally. But instead of 1,000 culprits, German news reports tell us they were about 100.
How many exactly they're not sure, yet. The culprits have yet to be identified.
We still don't know whether they were refugees, Germans originally from Arabic countries, or even tourists. All we know, as told by the victims, is that they looked Arabic or African.

Latest news on the radio spoke of 100 complaints. Apparently, there's only one rape among them. Doesn't mean there weren't more, but that's the only one reported. All else have been sexual harrassments and theft.

There's been a rally today in Cologne protesting violence against women.

Heard an official, don't remember her name, from the news saying that she didn't want discrimination against women to be answered with discrimination against immigrants. The culprits should be apprehended, brought to court and punished, regardless of where those culprits came from.
 
Re: Thousands riot, steal, rape, commit sexual assaults during NewYear

I just heard on the news, complaints are up to 150, and apparently four culprids have been identified.
 
Re: Thousands riot, steal, rape, commit sexual assaults during NewYear

I know the Guardian, BBC etc. were reporting between 500-100 perpetrators so its interesting to see a German perspective.

Frankly however many its too many but it is the kind of event that sees the liberal and conservative halves of me wrestling. On the one hand even if it was 1000 and even if they were all recent refugees (which doesn't necessarily seem likely) then that's only small proportion of immigrants over all, but on the other hand it does feed into perceptions about Muslim men and attitudes towards women.

As with most things reality sits somewhere in the middle. You can't tar all with the same brush, but by the same token we shouldn't brush things like this under the carpet.
 
While you may have the desire to help Syrian refugees in need, it is hard to ignore the fact that you cannot do any background checks on these refugees, and you have no way of knowing what kind of criminal (or even terrorist) element you are inviting into your country. This is a prime example of why no American state should be forced by the federal government to accept Syrian refugees.
 
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There actually is quite an extensive security apparatus in place to examine the refugees that come through. These people are interviewed and vetted - they don't just wave them on without any examination whatsoever.

In the end, though, you can't simply write them all off because some bad elements might get through. The imperative to help those in need is much more important than the slight risk that one of them might be a criminal.
 
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Nobody's really interested in the crimes or the victims, all everybody is focusing on is that it might be refugees.

At the last Oktoberfest in Munich, there have been two reported rapes. That's actually a downward trend, the year before, it was five reported rapes. In 2013, it was ten. They were reported, the police investigated, the caught rapists were brought to court where they were dealt with. No media attention whatsoever.

And if you wanna keep it in Cologne, we might talk about what happens every year during Carnival.

But no, that's not a problem to talk about. Dirty foreigners touching our women, that's what's talked about.

How does a crime get worse if it's done by refugees, and better if it's done by white people?! Screw the media, screw the politicians, let the police and the justice system do their job. At least one of the things being done after this is right, a bigger police presence has been announced for this year's Carnival in Cologne.
 
If we are talking Schengen, would attempts to reintroduce border checlpoints be seen as a step back in the EU project?
 
There actually is quite an extensive security apparatus in place to examine the refugees that come through. These people are interviewed and vetted - they don't just wave them on without any examination whatsoever.

In the end, though, you can't simply write them all off because some bad elements might get through. The imperative to help those in need is more important than the slight risk that one of them might be a criminal.

I agree that helping those in need is important. I don't think individual states should be forced to do something they do not want to do though.

Nobody's really interested in the crimes or the victims, all everybody is focusing on is that it might be refugees.

At the last Oktoberfest in Munich, there have been two reported rapes. That's actually a downward trend, the year before, it was five reported rapes. In 2013, it was ten. They were reported, the police investigated, the caught rapists were brought to court where they were dealt with. No media attention whatsoever.

And if you wanna keep it in Cologne, we might talk about what happens every year during Carnival.

But no, that's not a problem to talk about. Dirty foreigners touching our women, that's what's talked about.

How does a crime get worse if it's done by refugees, and better if it's done by white people?! Screw the media, screw the politicians, let the police and the justice system do their job. At least one of the things being done after this is right, a bigger police presence has been announced for this year's Carnival in Cologne.

I'm not there and certainly have no way of gauging any of that. However, if the populace there did have reason to believe that there was a foreign contingent that was likely contributing to an uptick in crime, it seems reasonable that citizens would want a more stringent immigration process. Every society already has a homegrown criminal element, it is probably natural for people to not want to contribute to it.
 
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I seen an interesting vid, this video Voltaire's Ghost has dark humor, and talks with kind of an atheist, anti-immigration commentary on the whole crisis
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I don't know if you can take the vid serious but it is an eye opener, you hear the phrase Regressive Leftism or the Regressive Left , a left who focus on what is politically correct...meaning the liberal left iis not the same anymore, the liberal left movement died years ago. It dies with MLK, FDR, JFK and other champions of the left...the guys today are not really traditional liberals but 'Regressives' have made political correctness not freedom their cause and in parts of Europe, its is much worse than the United States.
 
I don't think individual states should be forced to do something they do not want to do though.

Helping refugees is an absolute good, so I really can't think of any reason why states should be given any slack on this. Especially since, as I said, security procedures are already in place.
 
Helping refugees is an absolute good, so I really can't think of any reason why states should be given any slack on this. Especially since, as I said, security procedures are already in place.

Because of the 10th amendment. I don't think the federal government should be able to pick and choose when to apply the Constitution or when to ignore it.
 
I seen an interesting vid, this video Voltaire's Ghost has dark humor, and talks with kind of an atheist, anti-immigration commentary on the whole crisis
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I don't know if you can take the vid serious but it is an eye opener, you hear the phrase Regressive Leftism or the Regressive Left , a left who focus on what is politically correct...meaning the liberal left iis not the same anymore, the liberal left movement died years ago. It dies with MLK, FDR, JFK and other champions of the left...the guys today are not really traditional liberals but 'Regressives' have made political correctness not freedom their cause and in parts of Europe, its is much worse than the United States.

Well, I had and bloody well watch that video, now, didn't I?! Well, there goes my evening.

First off, I have half a mind to inform Universal about this video, considering how much he uses clips from Jurassic Park in analogies that are really out there. Seriously, that guy must love JP a lot to put this much of it into a video with a topic that's not even slightly related.

Second, "Women's right not to be raped"? Well, yes, but that's on the police to prevent rape, and/or investigate it, and the justice system to prosecute it. Should be considered for intergration, but not for immigration itself. Because, if you deny refugees based on "a few of them might rape somebody", that's a general punishment before a crime has even been committed. So much for constitutional democracy and liberalism.

Then there's that politician interviewed, where the guy stops the video to ask why she's not the head of state in Sweden, and in fact, all of Europe. Because, obviously, her sharing his opinion on a single topic not only qualifies her to lead Europe, but makes her the only person qualified.
One should note that she's a member of the Sweden Democrats. The Sweden Democrats don't have an integration policy, they actually reject integration, because in their mind, integration is "meeting in the middle", and the Swedish people should not be "burdened", and instead advocate "assimilation or deportation". Again, so much for liberalism.

Then he gets it on about this police person. While he might have a point about there not being much of a difference between a cover-up and self-censorship, he totally misses the point that this person acknowledges that mistakes were made. The narrator also criticizes the Swedish police not talking about nationality or race, either missing or ignoring the reason for it. Look at what happens in the U.S., and to lesser extent in most Western countries. The police tends to disproportionally go after minorities. Racism is institutional, so the Swedish police actively trying to get rid of it, that's not something to criticize, but to support. Because, you know, liberalism.

Bill Maher often makes good points about the "regressive left" and liberals not standing up for liberal ideas (although he, too, sometimes talks before knowing all the facts, as he did last Friday about the events in Cologne). But the person who made that video clearly is no Maher. Where Maher usually has a well-thought out opinion supported by facts, this guy only has an opinion.
 
Second, "Women's right not to be raped"? Well, yes, but that's on the police to prevent rape, and/or investigate it, and the justice system to prosecute it. Should be considered for intergration, but not for immigration itself. Because, if you deny refugees based on "a few of them might rape somebody", that's a general punishment before a crime has even been committed.

I have watched this crisis unfold for a while, I lurked on Something Awful Digital Spy forums, the trekbbs, on twitter and other blogs. What I have seen is I genuinely believe there are decent refugees who need help, however what if I told most Syrian refugees are simply displaced people within Syria, what if I told you 4 out of 5 were not 'refugees' they are not even 'migrants' as the politically correct news media calls them...what if I said four out of every five persons are not even from Syria. They get false passports and come from Albania, Nigeria, Iran, Senegal, Kosovo, Bangladesh and every other nation that is not Syria and try to fool Western authorities into giving them Syrian refugee status.

What you have in Europe currently and across the EU and Euro nations is a massive wave of illegals from the islamic world, unlawful muslim immigration from N.African middle east countries into other Western countries, with the hopes of getting social aid, documents, welfare....that's the crisis, that's really it. Angela Merkel went on tv, spoke to the world and made public pledges to help all these 'refugee' people, rather than helping the situation she may have contributed larger waves of more illegals and more drownings and more crisis as people smugglers send people across the middle east north Africa seas and into Europe
Inside this massive wave of illegals, you also have genuine refugees fleeing war-zones, poor people who need help, honestly damaged people fleeing islamic terror, fleeing suicide bombers
and unfortunately inside the current refugee wave, you may have a small percentage which have been infiltrated by a group like ISIS who have plans to carry out attacks like Paris, San Bernardino
Interventionism and the USA thinking it must always be acting as the world's police man might have gravely contributed to the entire mess, I believe the NATO, French, British bombing of Libya a huge mistake, Gaddafi warning , “If I go down, Europe and the West will be flooded"
 
Because of the 10th amendment. I don't think the federal government should be able to pick and choose when to apply the Constitution or when to ignore it.

I suggest you reread the 10th Amendment then:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The courts have consistently upheld that immigration and refugee policy is the jurisdiction of the federal government and not the states.

The problem for Jindal, Abbott and the other governors opposed to admitting refugees, however, is that there is no lawful means that permits a state government to dictate immigration policy to the president in this way. As the Supreme Court explained in Hines v. Davidowitz, “the supremacy of the national power in the general field of foreign affairs, including power over immigration, naturalization and deportation, is made clear by the Constitution.” States do not get to overrule the federal government on matters such as this one.

Just in case there is any doubt, President Obama has explicit statutory authorization to accept foreign refugees into the United States. Under the Refugee Act of 1980, the president may admit refugees who face “persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion” into the United States, and the president’s power to do so is particularly robust if they determine that an “unforeseen emergency refugee situation” such as the Syrian refugee crisis exists.

This power to admit refugees fits within the scheme of “broad discretion exercised by immigration officials” that the Supreme Court recognized in its most recent major immigration case, Arizona v. United States. Indeed, in describing the executive branch’s broad authority to make discretionary calls regarding immigration matters, Arizona seemed to explicitly contemplate the circumstances that face President Obama today. The United States may wish to allow a foreign national to remain within its borders, the Court explained, because the individual’s home nation “may be mired in civil war, complicit in political persecution, or enduring conditions that create a real risk that the alien or his family will be harmed upon return.”

Moreover, the Court explained, America could suffer severe foreign policy consequences if the executive does not enjoy broad discretion over immigration matters. “The dynamic nature of relations with other countries,” Justice Anthony Kennedy explained in his opinion for the Court in Arizona, “requires the Executive Branch to ensure that enforcement policies are consistent with this Nation’s foreign policy with respect to these and other realities.”

Hines offered a similar warning about the close tie between immigration and foreign relations, explaining that immigration policy must be set by the national government and not by 50 different state governors because the entire United States can suffer when a foreign nation reacts adversely to our treatment of immigrants. “Experience has shown that international controversies of the gravest moment, sometimes even leading to war,” Justice Hugo Black wrote in his 1941 opinion for the Court, “may arise from real or imagined wrongs to another’s subjects inflicted, or permitted, by a government.” Thus, the Court concluded, “the regulation of aliens is so intimately blended and intertwined with responsibilities of the national government that where it acts, and the state also acts on the same subject, ‘the act of congress, or the treaty, is supreme; and the law of the state, though enacted in the exercise of powers not controverted, must yield to it.'”


Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...ernors-cant-refuse-to-accept-syrian-refugees/
 
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