With all due respect to Wikipedia, I don't consider anything involving more than one person "masturbation." Their label is misleading.
Davies vs. Moffat Eras
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With all due respect to Wikipedia, I don't consider anything involving more than one person "masturbation." Their label is misleading.
It's not their label. Go ask your doctor about it.
Seriously, I think I first heard about it in sex-ed (or Interrelate, which was a fancy term for sex-ed) so it's really not a new thing. If your right hand has to do all the work in order to count, where would that leave battery operated...erm, assistance?
And I'm dropping the matter before I get mod-smacked.
Seriously, I think I first heard about it in sex-ed (or Interrelate, which was a fancy term for sex-ed) so it's really not a new thing. If your right hand has to do all the work in order to count, where would that leave battery operated...erm, assistance?
And I'm dropping the matter before I get mod-smacked.
I voted for Davies but.......
I really hated the Smith era, but the Capaldi era has been great so far. The Smith era was just dull, I turned off half way through season 6. The stories were boring, confusing and utterly uninvolving - especially the entire arcs. I really think this is when the damage to the ratings were done.
This season - it's like Moffat has gone back to RTD type but a bit less stupid. I really thought the Heaven Sent episode was one of the best of the whole show, he has also returned to RTD continuity and familiarity compared to just forgetting it all previously.
I really hated the Smith era, but the Capaldi era has been great so far. The Smith era was just dull, I turned off half way through season 6. The stories were boring, confusing and utterly uninvolving - especially the entire arcs. I really think this is when the damage to the ratings were done.
This season - it's like Moffat has gone back to RTD type but a bit less stupid. I really thought the Heaven Sent episode was one of the best of the whole show, he has also returned to RTD continuity and familiarity compared to just forgetting it all previously.
On balance I think I prefer the RTD era, I think some of Moffat's best work on the show is when he was only doing 1 or 2 episodes a season. His era hasn't been bad with some good indivdual episodes but I think the arcs from RTD era worked better.
But regardless I think it's time for Moffat to go as show runner, much like the show it's self it's time for it to regenerate, would still want Moffat to contribute scripts to it however. Perhaps if Capaldi leaves at the end of this season Moffat should go as well and let a new show runner start a fresh with a new Doctor.
But regardless I think it's time for Moffat to go as show runner, much like the show it's self it's time for it to regenerate, would still want Moffat to contribute scripts to it however. Perhaps if Capaldi leaves at the end of this season Moffat should go as well and let a new show runner start a fresh with a new Doctor.
Which would be fine if Rose & Martha weren't a couple of codependent whiners.
I agree that Tennant constantly putting his foot in his mouth around Elizabeth I was out of character. But I generally prefer Moffat's view of Tennant over Davies' anyway.
I didn't think Martha was a wner at all, she left the Doctor of her own free will. Even though she as attracted to the Doctor it wasn't enough to keep interested in traveling with him. Like Grace before her, her life was enough for her and it's not like Martha stopped having adventures without the Doctor.
Well, not exactly. She left the Doctor BECAUSE she was attracted to him but he didn't feel the same way. She could have traveled with him forever, and she wanted to, but she knew she had to get out while she had the chance.
You could pretty much replace Martha's name with "Not Rose." That's how the Doctor treated her, and that's how she felt. She wasn't Rose. She could never be Rose. And the Doctor was never going to settle for anybody else.
She left at the end of Season 3 because she didn't want to deal with her unrequited feelings for the Doctor. It made sense for her to stay home and watch over her family.
In Season 4, she pops up a few times, but she never definitively says goodbye. She's simply moved on to other things, like working for UNIT and being engaged to a new man.
She shows up again in "The End of Time," this this time it's the Doctor saying goodbye to her as David Tennant is about to regenerate.
This is what I said.
She didn't stay home and look after her family though, she joined UNIT, spent some time with Torchwood and ended up in New York when the Daleks attacked. No matter the reason why she left on her own, she wasn't killed off, married off or was sent back home.
None of the companions in the Moffat era can say the same. For that matter Martha even left UNIT of her own accord.
None of the companions in the Moffat era can say the same. For that matter Martha even left UNIT of her own accord.
Is that explicitly said anywhere? (been a while since I've seen The End of Time) And didn't RTD marry her off to Mickey? (or vice versa) which never made a lot of sense.
If there's one thing about the modern era I dislike it's the notion that companions will travel with the Doctor forever unless they die/are trapped in another dimension. I'm not advocating going back to the old days when companions would randomly just leave because they'd 'fallen in love' with some bloke they just met, but still...if Amy and Rory had left at the end of God Complex that would have been better. I don't think it helps that the Doctor seems to have more control over the Tardis these days. Also he seemed to be better at just moving on.
Really? I'd have said he is much worse at moving on than he ever used to be. Most of that is simply because the modern rules of drama require your characters to have much emotional upheaval and to actually react to stuff, even if that reaction is wildly over the top as compared to your average person.
After Rose, he spent the next two years pining for her, almost exterminated the Racnoss in rage and if we go by "Turn Left" was on the verge of killing himself in that action. After Martha he mostly shrugged - he wasn't as emotionally invested in her even if he did respect her as a person. After Donna he was sufficiently depressed that he stood in the rain having a crying contest with Bernard Cribbins and then went on a character arc that resulted in the Time Lord Victorious. After Amy, he was so depressed that the Paternoster Gang kept trying to get him involved and he insisted that he didn't do that anymore, he'd rather wallow in his darker coat. And after Clara, he deliberately put himself through billions of years of self-flagellation for the tiniest chance of saving her, and only isn't more depressed now because he can't even remember her.
I don't remember any classic Doctor being that emotional over the loss of a companion, not even when Five lost Adric.
EDIT: Wait, maybe I misread you - were you saying he was better at moving on then or that he's better at moving on now?
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What crying contest with Wilf, unless you're talking about the brief scene where he says goodbye to Wilf in the in rain. And really by trying to bring Clara back from the dead kind of proves he's still haviong a hard time movie on. Adn no the older Doctors didn't shed any tears over a companion, but that doesn't mean their leaving meant nothing to him.
Well, we don't know how much time has passed between The Green Death and The Time Warrior, but given that at least one BF audio (Prisoner of Peladon) had the Doctor having struggle a tad without Jo around, and even the King said he needed to have someone around him to control his emotions. So I'd say he's had a precedent, but maybe after the Time War, he's been so eager to recapture his old self that he got too emotional along the way.
I was saying he was better at moving on in the past
Which didn't mean he didn't care, he just didn't dwell on it.